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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18

Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:35 am to
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37513 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:35 am to
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No. I think the answer was pretty definitive.


Look,

The finale did what the entire show has done, which is strangely admirable. It never fell apart for the sides, and outside of Lacour, people are thinking in the same terms they always have.

Those like OML, Decatur, Eric, and Port, and GF, no offense, will rationalize anything they see on the show for the easiest path of resistance in regards to emotion. "Oh the crash at the end, that's just the creators being sentimental. Oh baby Aaron, that's just what Claire need to let go.." And so forth. (This isn't an attack, or an insult) This is just how you see it. You also only see it one way, there is no other. You are saying it's clear cut, when it isn't, regardless of how illogical it often sounds. Also, things can happen on the island only they way they already have. You don't look for the better solution, the more efficient or meaningful solution, you only look for the one that was given, maybe obtusely, but still given. You may see the faults, and even acknowledge their existence, but you easily toss that aside.

For you, things being clear cut equate to your emotions being fulfilled. Notice, all of your reaction to the show is facilitated by an emotional response.

On the other hand, Myth and I and others, see things differently. We way the different parts of the show looking for clarity and rationality. We are often too harsh on the problems, and not positive enough about the successes. We let are own personal reasoning often get in the way of accepting the show as it is. I can easily say for Myth and myself, this has to do with character motivations and narrative. His stance on BSG is the same, he has a serious problem with how the end went down there as well. Notice, that most of us haven't asked about the island. I am satisfied, mostly, with how the island was portrayed.

For us to be fulfilled, it must be reasonable and logical, it doesn't matter if we "like" it, but that it make sense.

What ticks us off is the CONSCIOUS decision by Cuse and Lidelhof to muddy the ending. That's the biggest problem for me. You say, "That's impossible. It's clear." But only because you ignore and rationalize away what the writers have put on the screen. All the little things they could have done to make it clear, they didn't. I'll give you that the birth of Aaron was necessary for the flash, ok. But why was he in the church, her moment was over? Why were Rose and Bernard in the church, when they weren't as big a part of the show as others who weren't?

Maybe we are too analytical, this much is true, but with the creators KNOWING that some fans are, why torture them in such a manner? It was easily avoidable, that's what makes it so annoying.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 9:52 am
Posted by LSUMon
Monroe
Member since Aug 2006
397 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:47 am to
Didn't the original plane crashers just move to a better location in the first few episodes? The wreckage and fuselage would still be there. But I agree, why show it? I think the writers could not muster up enough courage/confidence to write a clear cut ending. They purposely made it vague and left open the possiblity for alternate interpretations to cover their own arse, which I think is a cop out. If they knew all along what the Island was, as they have claimed, then they should have stuck to their guns and told us what they "knew"

That being said, though the acting was great in the finale.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:50 am to
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Those like OML, Decatur, Eric, and Port, and GF, no offense, will rationalize anything they see on the show for the easiest path of resistance in regards to emotion.


what?

I just see it different than you do. To me, there is just far more evidence that they lived on the island, and I've posted that. Check my post history and you'll find that I don't really try to overcomplicate these lost scenarios. I generally take it for what it is. I was blasted for the whole disagreeing with the "game" theory because I thought Jacob was genuine with his explanation of the island. He explained it and that was it. Same with the ending - people seem to be trying to make more out of it that what it was - Christian explained it, hurley and ben had a conversation about protecting the island, I mean what more do you really want?

This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 9:53 am
Posted by tigerguy121
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2006
10695 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:09 am to
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. You may see the faults, and even acknowledge their existence, but you easily toss that aside.


as someone who quit watching after season 3 and just watched last night, when I see faults I toss them aside as bad writing and plot holes that made me fall out of love with the show in the first place.

I don't see them as some secret grander plan of the writers who were just making shite up as they went along.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:16 am to
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Those like OML, Decatur, Eric, and Port, and GF, no offense, will rationalize anything they see on the show for the easiest path of resistance in regards to emotion.


Not true for me. I've expressed displeasure with some of the things they've done on the show.

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You also only see it one way, there is no other.


I think that there are plenty things left up for interpretation. The crash scene during the credits I don't see how that is open to interpretation. Aaron was a baby at the church because was Aaron had just been born in the flash-sideways...at least the way it was presented to the audience. I think it is as simple as that.

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You don't look for the better solution, the more efficient or meaningful solution, you only look for the one that was given, maybe obtusely, but still given. You may see the faults, and even acknowledge their existence, but you easily toss that aside.


So what? It's their show. You're definitely setting yourself up for disappointment if you try to rewrite the show in your mind just so you can see how much better you could have made it. There's a shite ton on this show that I think I could have made better or at least more to my liking. But what's the point really. I still think the show ended great.

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For you, things being clear cut equate to your emotions being fulfilled. Notice, all of your reaction to the show is facilitated by an emotional response.


I think the writers focused the ending on the personal ties between the characters on the show and the audience's ties with the characters. There's nothing wrong ending the show with emotional catharsis.

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What ticks us off is the CONSCIOUS decision by Cuse and Lidelhof to muddy the ending. That's the biggest problem for me.


I don't see how the ending was muddied. I just don't. Chalk it up to me being a fanboy. I don't care.

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Maybe we are too analytical


This isn't Joyce.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:36 am to
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Maybe we are too analytical, this much is true


No, I think you are just approaching this with a "holier than thou" attitude. Maybe it's because of your backround as a writer or whatever, I don't know. (I'm not knocking that FWIW)

I fully admit that I am a fan of the show and that makes it easiser to appreciate the ending I guess. Last I checked that wasn't a bad thing. This isn't religion, man. I'm not actively seeking God or the meaning of life from a TV show. They gave an answer, made it pretty clear, and that was it. Don't kid yourself by thinking that you and Myth are far above everyone else. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer. Using common sense isn't always a bad thing.
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