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Which company will face criminal charges, and

Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:34 am
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:34 am
will their execs actually serve jail time?

The blowout preventer, reports the Washington Post, "Had a dead battery in its control pod, leaks in its hydraulic system, a "useless" test version of a key component and a cutting tool that wasn't strong enough to shear through steel joints in the well pipe and stop the flow of oil."

Posted by 91TIGER
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:39 am to
Geithner, B. Frank, C. Dodd, F. Raines, A. Gore, P. Orszag ? Goldman cronies of the Dem party ?
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:05 am to
No doubt high penalties should be paid, but jail time? The phrase "settle down" comes to mind. I can think of far more offenders with criminal intent that are more deserving than executives trying to find the right balance of service and safety with a mandate to keep prices down in response to consumer pressure.
Posted by BigJim
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:29 am to
quote:

No doubt high penalties should be paid, but jail time? The phrase "settle down" comes to mind. I can think of far more offenders with criminal intent that are more deserving than executives trying to find the right balance of service and safety with a mandate to keep prices down in response to consumer pressure.


It depends. IF these problems are as bad as presented and IF they knew about the problem and prevented or inhibited actions or concealed information that could have prevented the loss of life- then yeah, I can see this as a criminal act.

Those are some big ifs though.
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:37 am to
Of course it depends. The original post and our responses to this thread also depend on whether posters want to discuss known information or challenge themselves to think of more sinister possibilities that make their sense of drama tingle.

Posted by TheHiddenFlask
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 11:12 am to
The guys at Cameron have to be sick right now.
Posted by bigdubya
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:07 pm to
I think all environmentalist assholes should be put in prison for the oil spill. It is because of there not letting us drill in Alaska that we have to drill in mile deep water.
Posted by Tigergreg
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

will their execs actually serve jail time?


Possibly. If this happened in China, they would be executed, like the guys responsible for the tainted milk.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:23 pm to
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I think all environmentalist assholes should be put in prison for the oil spill. It is because of there not letting us drill in Alaska that we have to drill in mile deep water


It is the politicians pandering to the environmentalist that you need to worry about. Most people don't realize there was almost one million barrels spilled onto the tundra here in 2006. Wasn't noticed for 5 days. Cleaned up fine.

There is appropriate reaction, then there is drama queen over reaction (see the OP).

Environmentalist are the least of Alaskas worry when it comes to drilling. Doyon, and other native groups wholly support the drilling endeavors.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Rex
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:28 pm to
Hysterical.
Posted by back9Tiger
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Posted on 5/15/10 at 9:47 am to
The mms needs to be held accountable, they are the ones that turn their backs when they knew of the maintenance issues, approving the modifications to the bop (I think), etc. Mms will be torn appart and restructed by the obama adminstration.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 9:54 am to
if there's jail time, its going to be about:

11 dead people

I would bet there is no jail time for execs.

maybe some engineer. whomever had the authority to stop the process after leaks were detected in the BOP 15 minutes before they ran the system.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 10:08 am to
quote:

I think all environmentalist assholes should be put in prison for the oil spill. It is because of there not letting us drill in Alaska that we have to drill in mile deep water.



how does the word a-hole enhance the meaning of your post?
ad hominem again?

THEIR, not THERE

We are not drilling in mile deep water. a company that bought a lease is drilling in mile deep water. WE, will not own that oil when its being sold.

this spill makes the point on why ANWR needs to be last.
We dont have the expertise yet. to do it safely for the environment.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Posted on 5/15/10 at 10:10 am to
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a "useless" test version of a key component and a cutting tool that wasn't strong enough to shear through steel joints in the well pipe and stop the flow of oil."

first, i find it hard to believe the shear ram systems could not shear the drill pipe in use at this point in the well. 6 5/8" (larger than what they would have been using at this point) drill pipe is shearable by pretty much every 15k BOP stack in the world.

Also, the "useless test version of a key component" is also a misnomer. the set of test rams would be the lower pipe rams, which would be flipped upside down to hold pressure from above to assist in streamlining BOP testing. this is a common practice, and the BOP stack still would have been left w/ more than the minimum number of rams. Also, the ram in question is a pipe ram -- which closes around the drill pipe -- not a shear ram that is designed to cut it.

i'm sure they spent time trying to function it because they figured any hail mary was worth attempting at that late stage in the game.

also, the presence of the test ram would have been approved by the MMS in the permit to drill, as part of this is submitted the BOP stack configuration, maximum anticipated wellhead pressure, and BOP test pressures. any deviations from these approved items would have to be submitted again to the MMS
This post was edited on 5/15/10 at 10:16 am
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 11:02 am to
quote:

Most people don't realize there was almost one million barrels spilled onto the tundra here in 2006. Wasn't noticed for 5 days. Cleaned up fine.



nrdc.org
"For years, old reserve pits holding millions of gallons of drilling and other wastes pocked the North Slope. The pits typically contained a variety of toxic metals, as well as petroleum hydrocarbons and other harmful substances. Thanks partly to litigation by the Natural Resources Defense Council, handling methods for the waste in these reserve pits have improved.

While the oil industry has closed many of the pits, more than 100 remain to be cleaned. And, despite advances in disposal methods -- in which most drilling wastes are ground up and re-injected into wells -- problems remain. In 2000, for instance, British Petroleum (BP) was ordered to pay $22 million in civil and criminal fines and establish a new environmental management program because its contractors had illegally disposed of hazardous wastes containing benzene and other toxic chemicals. These crimes only came to light because a whistle-blower reported them to the EPA.

The Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation still lists more than 100 contaminated sites associated with oil industry operations on the North Slope. These sites contain a variety of toxic materials, including acids, lead, pesticides, solvents, diesel fuel, caustics, corrosives and petroleum hydrocarbons. Leakage from some sites has contaminated the surrounding tundra wetlands and waterways, which likely will be ruined for decades.
Posted by back9Tiger
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Member since Nov 2005
17645 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 6:55 pm to
The mms needs to be held accountable, they are the ones that turn their backs when they knew of the maintenance issues, approving the modifications to the bop (I think), etc. Mms will be torn appart and restructed by the obama adminstration.
Posted by STEALTH
Kansas
Member since Feb 2008
958 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 2:02 pm to
1. Cameron says warranty expired
BOP built in 1999

2. The BOP was modified by BP


This was said by a guy who actually works on these BOPs. He seemed very confident that BP was responsible for up keep of the valve and the safety maintenance but was not.
Posted by TigerFred
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 5/16/10 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

The BOP was modified by BP


False BOP was modified by Transocean.

quote:

This was said by a guy who actually works on these BOPs. He seemed very confident that BP was responsible for up keep of the valve and the safety maintenance but was not.



Completely false. An oil company is not responsible for maintenance of equipment that is owned by a drilling contractor.
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