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When is the earliest a kid should be throwing a breaking ball?

Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:39 pm
Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:39 pm
I was having a conversation with someone about this. I say Junior/Senior year of HS at the earliest. You don't need a breaking pitch to get 12 year olds out and they should be working on location and changing speeds first. Thoughts?
Posted by Big Fat
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:40 pm to
Mine is 7 and throws one (accidentally). It spins like a mofricker


edit: seriously though, anything earlier than late high school is a real injury risk from what I hear
This post was edited on 4/15/10 at 3:41 pm
Posted by MsandLa
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:42 pm to
i have coached and have a few friends who have pitched in minors and mlb. they say 14 or 15.

nothing worse than a kid trying to be to fancy and hurting themselves
Posted by artvandelay1987
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:42 pm to
i was throwing them at 12.

quote:

I say Junior/Senior year of HS at the earliest.


that is way too late IMO
Posted by Roach
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:42 pm to
I would say no earlier than around 15 - if taught the correct way to throw one.
Posted by MsandLa
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:44 pm to
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if taught the correct way to throw one.


thats extremely important. if they are doing it wrong, more damage than good is being accomplished
Posted by BraveTiger225
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:45 pm to
I was always told by a friend of mine's dad who is a doctor dealing with sports injuries, that 13 or 14 should be OK.

This is, as stated already, provided it is being taught and performed in the proper manner.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:45 pm to
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that is way too late IMO


Why? Teaching someone had to throw a breaking ball is way easier than teaching command. Why do you need a breaking ball when you are 12-15 anyway?
This post was edited on 4/15/10 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:46 pm to
i threw one at 10 as an out pitch

and worked it in more as i got older
Posted by artvandelay1987
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:47 pm to
i mean i was taught the proper way to throw it by my dad. he started showing me when i was 12.

i could control a curveball as good as my fastball. i could throw it for strikes or in the dirt.
Posted by artvandelay1987
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:48 pm to
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Why do you need a breaking ball when you are 12-15 anyway?


they had a lot of pedro cerrano's when i played. it was a good out pitch.
Posted by MsandLa
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:49 pm to
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BraveTiger225


my buddy who pitched in the big show told me he learned to throw a curve by using an aerosal can. held it and threw to get the curve motion mechanics down.

i hate seeing kids trying to get fancy and "trying" to throw a curve or slider. horrible mechanics= fricked up arms
Posted by barry
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:49 pm to
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they had a lot of pedro cerrano's when i played.
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

I was having a conversation with someone about this. I say Junior/Senior year of HS at the earliest. You don't need a breaking pitch to get 12 year olds out and they should be working on location and changing speeds first. Thoughts?


Here is my opinion, 99% of these little bastards will have no shot in hell to play in the majors or college, so let the kids have fun throwing a curve ball at 10/11/12 and striking out their friends. Stop thinking that your kid will be playing one day in the bigs. A kid's hands are generally not big enough to throw a true change w/o slowing down their arm motion so a curve really is the only way to change speeds.I guarantee the majority of the pitchers in the majors threw curves as a kid or threw soooo hard it didn't really matter.

I threw curves a lot as a 10, 11, 12 yr old and my arm is just fine and I had a blast striking out my friends. The over hand throwing motion in general is not good for your arm/elbow so all you crazy parents need to chill the frick out...
This post was edited on 4/15/10 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Truculent Typist
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:50 pm to
Was workin on mine at 15 but I was primarily an Infielder. Anything before high school is absolute insanity and can make your arm all but useless as you reach older age.
Posted by artvandelay1987
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:52 pm to
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Anything before high school is absolute insanity and can make your arm all but useless as you reach older age.


yea if you throw it every pitch, and you don't know the proper way to throw it
Posted by MsandLa
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

barry


are you coaching or have a kid around this age group?

if so, teach mechanics and location. then throw in a change up with same motion as a fastball. will make a kid look stupid.
Posted by CAT
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

I would say no earlier than around 15 - if taught the correct way to throw one.


I agree with this but could be different depending on how early a kid develops physically.

The biggest part is how they throw it. I was taught letting ball roll off the middle finger with no the index finger not on the ball. May be a much more effective way but it had a lot of action and my arm was never sore. Had some kids who would hold it like a fastball and try to snap twist their wrist to put the spin on it. These were the kids who had the sore elbow.
Posted by Truculent Typist
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:55 pm to
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yea if you throw it every pitch, and you don't know the proper way to throw it
Even properly taught it can still wreak havoc. My old pitching coach was taught by his father (former minor leaguer) at 12 and couldn't throw anymore around 30. Not to mention if you don't get the proper instruction or, even worse, you teach yourself. It might not always end badly but I've seen plenty of cases where it does.
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 4/15/10 at 3:56 pm to
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if so, teach mechanics and location. then throw in a change up with same motion as a fastball. will make a kid look stupid


Not too many 12 yrs that have big enough hands to throw a change w/o slowing their arm. Just saying. The key to not hurting your arm is a good throwing regime and mechanics (using your legs to generate the majority of your power) more so then whether or not you throw a curve. Hell a lot of people naturally have a break to the ball just bc of their arm angle and release point.
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