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re: Why would Miles not start Lee?
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:29 am to JJ27
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:29 am to JJ27
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You say it was OL play. I say it was JJ locking solely on his primary receiver and when he wasn't open he held the ball FOREVER, leading to a sack. Look back at most of his sacks, you can't expect the OL to block that long.
this is exactly what i mean about him being an athlete playing qb.
in HS JJ could hold on to the ball,if his first guy wasnt open he could take off run.
Why do yall thing he takes so many sacks??
B/c he doesnt know where to go with the football thats why.....In HS he could take off and outrun everybody else.,,,, here not so much, he gets sacked.
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 8:30 am
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Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:31 am to TheDoc
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or how about it's a collection of all three?
%50 JJ
%10 O-line
%10 WR
%30 Play Calling (Coaching)
how about that % of the pie.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:32 am to TIGRLEE
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Why do yall thing he takes so many sacks??
Because he doesn't want to be Lee. Lee's interception woes had a direct effect on Jefferson's conservative play imo.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:36 am to JJ27
i see what you mean..
but come on seriously, not not knowing where you should throw the football is a far bigger obstacle he's gonna have to overcome.
but come on seriously, not not knowing where you should throw the football is a far bigger obstacle he's gonna have to overcome.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:36 am to TIGRLEE
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this is exactly what i mean about him being an athlete playing qb.
disagree here. QBs who get the "athlete" label generally take off running too much at the first sign of trouble. Jordan tends to hold the ball too long, but is still ultimately trying to make a passing play. if anything, he's unrefined, not some QB impostor. I do question the extent to which he can be refined at times though.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:39 am to JJ27
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Why do yall thing he takes so many sacks??
Because he doesn't want to be Lee. Lee's interception woes had a direct effect on Jefferson's conservative play imo.
I think this is true...They drilled it into his head to protect the football and it cost us in offensive production. along with play calling but that also had to do with Lee's woes two years ago.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:43 am to TigerFan55555
im not saying it wasnt said or he didnt think about it... hell JJ has ears, he heard the boos from the sidelines, however after a few games and some time under his belt, i just dont think you can still hang on to that excuse.
just me though.
just me though.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:43 am to ATLTiger
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this is exactly what i mean about him being an athlete playing qb.
I think he is an athlete trying to be a QB...not trying to knock him...I see your point about a Athlete playing QB tends to take off sooner and JJ doesnt do that. but a "true" QB stays calm and collected in the clutch and doesnt freeze. that and accuracy are my two biggest things i want in a QB...JJ throws the ball like a baseball player, (he gets behind the ball which is good) but he's too long....windup and throw it and doesnt necessarily know where its going in a 5-7 foot radius...Thats why he doesnt take chances on threading the needle and things like that...
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:48 am to LSU1018
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I think Les is the type of coach that would rather a qb that won't lose the game for him. He would rather Jefferson take sacks than lee throw ints. Lee is the type that will hit the big play for you then give up a big one right after.
Jefferson is a more conservative qb
If Miles is playing Jefferson because he's more conservative then he needs to make major changes on both sides of the ball. On defense...this bend but dont break defense won't work with a conservative QB, it puts the D on the field too long. On offense, he needs to can Crowton. Crowton relies to heavily on QB play and a conservative QB does not match well with what Crowton wants to do (God knows what that is)
For the offense we run, Lee seems to be a better choice. But if Miles wants to become a run first, play action team - Jefferson is the right man. Miles keeping Crowton is by far his biggest mistake.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:50 am to Hot Carl
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I think we can all at least agree that Lee looked better than Jefferson in the spring game. By how much is a matter of opinion, but I think most will concede that as fact. That being said, I can think of a few reasons why Miles' wouldn't start Lee:
1) The spring game is only a small snippet we get to see, and Jefferson has still outplayed Lee overall to maintain #1
2) Les is concerned with Lee's psyche and that no matter what he does/how well he plays in practice, like a lot of our fans, he just doesn't trust Lee in games
3) Les is feeling the warmth of his seat and doesn't feel like he's in a position to take such a gamble that could 'cause a huge backlash from the fanbase for even doing it, much less if it blows up in his face
Those are decent reasons... I'd add in that if you bounce repeatedly between QBs then you probably undermine the confidence of the QBs and the rest of the team. I worry that both JJ and JL are not yet mature enough to handle a demotion smoothly
So IMO it's better to pick one and stick with him as the starter until the backup looks definitely better for a while (as was the case when JJ replaced JL in 08)... maybe that time comes soon or maybe JJ is better than he showed in the Spring Scrimmage
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:57 am to molsusports
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(as was the case when JJ replaced JL in 08)
JL lost his job due to a bum ankle.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:57 am to JJ27
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Why do yall thing he takes so many sacks??
Because he doesn't want to be Lee. Lee's interception woes had a direct effect on Jefferson's conservative play imo.
I wonder if this isn't the truth too
I think JJ is afraid to make mistakes like JL did (Florida game this year comes to mind) and as a result is afraid to be aggressive... even tho LSU's receivers probably allow him to do that
Worst thing ever for young players growing into their confidence would probably be having to hear about all the mistakes at QB... just have to accept you're going to make mistakes at the position and minimize the big ones (ints and sacks)
Posted on 4/9/10 at 8:58 am to LSUisOVER9000
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well when fans wanted JL to be the starter instead of JJ...Miles proved them WRONG (LA Tech) so I know Miles will put the best QB on the FIELD
I love when ranters like 9000 stick to one game to "prove" he is not capable when there are several games Jefferson did not play well at all.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:01 am to JJ27
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(as was the case when JJ replaced JL in 08)
JL lost his job due to a bum ankle.
you don't really lose your starting job because of an injury... if JL had been playing well he would have returned as starter... JJ was better (esp because of the turnover issues)
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:02 am to extremecheddar
I don't see how some of u guys want to see JJ on the field. He may do good in practice but at game time he seems to go some where else.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:02 am to teeMike
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concept of utilizing both in a 2 QB system
If we EVER do this, the second QB would be Sheppard. The switch has to be a differnt llok for the defense and make it hard to defend. They would change nothing if you switched from Lee to JJ.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:04 am to the LSUSaint
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If we EVER do this, the second QB would be Sheppard.
I'm still baffled as to why we haven't tried a 2 QB system with Shepard running the option, like the one we had tons of success with back in 07.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:10 am to Mike Linebacker
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And I think that is the reason # 2 is the answer. Lee has Les snake bitten. Just as Jefferson takes sacks so as not to make Lee's mistakes, Les plays Jefferson so as not to let Lee make those mistakes. I don't know if it's Lee who is pysched out or if it is Miles. But that seems to me to be what is going on.
I think it is definitely Miles that is psyched out. One thing you have to give Lee credit for during his freshmen year, which is also why he got into so much trouble, he never quit trying or let the interceptions change who he was as a QB. Now admittedly I wish he would have gotten a little conservative with some of his throws but he is a gunslinger and even if he throws a pic he will still come out throwing. Just like in the spring game. I thought he got better after throwing the pic. He just needs to work on his reads and I think he will be fine. If we want a pure QB to play then Lee should be the answer otherwise would should just run the Georgia Tech Offense or put in RS and see what he can do with his legs and let him hand off.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:10 am to Prominentwon
They both have MAJOR flaws. Neither is a legitimate SEC starter. Sorry.
Posted on 4/9/10 at 9:11 am to JJ27
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JL lost his job due to a bum ankle.
he was healthy for the chick fil a bowl.
Why didn't he play then?
Or all of 2009?
Must have been some ankle injury
This post was edited on 4/9/10 at 9:12 am
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