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re: Thread Hijacked!!! Now it's "'Bush: hater or lover' "
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:39 pm to LSUFreek
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:39 pm to LSUFreek
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Produce a great bit, huh?
Let's see, promising WR/RB hybrid Percy Harvin had a combined total of 925 yds rushing/rec with an unheard of 6 TD's .
Another veteran hybrid, Kevin Faulk, had 636 combined rush/rec yds and an amazing 3 TD's .
Reggie Bush had a combined total of 725 yds rush/rec with a mere 8 TD's. What a slacker!
Bush, Harvin, and Sproles seem to be more fair comparisons.
how do the numbers look when you add in kick and punt return yards? what yards per touch in each category?
Also, Faulk is well over 30 years old and widely viewed as one of the best 3rd down AND blocking tailbacks in pass protection in football. Even then, his all purpose yards at this advanced age are about on par with Bush.
I used to be a Bush hater, now i am more indifferent b/c he is no longer being forced into a feature role on offense. I am fine with him being a bit player.
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Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:52 pm to el tigre
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how do the numbers look ...
My point since page one has been if you base your opinion of Reggie on stat-based performances, you're discounting what Reggie's mere presence on the field brings.
In the two Philly & Giants clips I've linked, four defenders in each clip pay attention to the threat Reggie poses. He "produces" TD's by just being a potential threat.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 7:02 pm to LSUFreek
I kno QB's don't get listed in the TD stat but since we are using made up statistics like "assists" and "#1 threat to get a first down or score a TD" where does Drew Brees rank?
First thats where.
This whole listing assists, and Colston OWES Reggie 2 TD's is bullshite BTW.
If you aren't willing to go through and look at clips of his TD plays and show where he wouldn't of scored without help then don't bring it up.
Concede at least though that other players making plays away from the ball are responsible for Reggie scoring TD's just like he is for theres.
First thats where.
This whole listing assists, and Colston OWES Reggie 2 TD's is bullshite BTW.
If you aren't willing to go through and look at clips of his TD plays and show where he wouldn't of scored without help then don't bring it up.
Concede at least though that other players making plays away from the ball are responsible for Reggie scoring TD's just like he is for theres.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 7:09 pm to LSUFreek
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Produce a great bit, huh?
Let's see, promising WR/RB hybrid Percy Harvin had a combined total of 925 yds rushing/rec with an unheard of 6 TD's .
Another veteran hybrid, Kevin Faulk, had 636 combined rush/rec yds and an amazing 3 TD's .
Reggie Bush had a combined total of 725 yds rush/rec with a mere 8 TD's. What a slacker!
(Note to self: Wear gloves next time. Handing too many people their asses lately.)
Using Kevin Faulk? selective BS. What about Chris Johnson? Can we count him as WR/RB hybrid? I mean he did have more catches than Bush did this season, or do you have to return punts to be considered a hybrid?
What about Jamaal Charles? Can I include him?
Geez get of Reggie's dick. He is a good player, but he aint going to Canton or even the Pro Bowl anytime soon
Posted on 3/31/10 at 7:37 pm to tigerguy121
I'm defending Reggie from haters that simply look at stats.
If you don't show morons what he does without the ball, they just think he is an over-hyped underachiever, and are mystified that Sean Payton & Mickey Loomis would so eagerly keep Reggie for such a seemingly high & unbalanced price (if you simply factor in stats).
Yes, it's a team game. Yes, Drew Brees is the leader and our best player. Yes, people contributed away from the ball for Reggie on his TD's. If people want to spend the time editing clips of Shockey or Colston, or Meachem without the ball have at it. Not my bag.
My contention is that Reggie is not the "bit player" he's perceived to be, but rather because of his eletric hands, speed & agility, he plays as "huge role" as Brees' most lethal option, even without the ball. The defenses biting in the video clips I've linked agree with me. This would help explain to morons why Payton values him at $8 million next season. (Speaking of which, I'm glad Sean is solidly in my corner.)
Since I'm defending Reggie, if I have to "sarcastically" suggest there should be an "assists" category in order to show numbnuts that defenses are scared of Reggie without the ball, then the point is valid and not bullshite.
If you don't show morons what he does without the ball, they just think he is an over-hyped underachiever, and are mystified that Sean Payton & Mickey Loomis would so eagerly keep Reggie for such a seemingly high & unbalanced price (if you simply factor in stats).
Yes, it's a team game. Yes, Drew Brees is the leader and our best player. Yes, people contributed away from the ball for Reggie on his TD's. If people want to spend the time editing clips of Shockey or Colston, or Meachem without the ball have at it. Not my bag.
My contention is that Reggie is not the "bit player" he's perceived to be, but rather because of his eletric hands, speed & agility, he plays as "huge role" as Brees' most lethal option, even without the ball. The defenses biting in the video clips I've linked agree with me. This would help explain to morons why Payton values him at $8 million next season. (Speaking of which, I'm glad Sean is solidly in my corner.)
Since I'm defending Reggie, if I have to "sarcastically" suggest there should be an "assists" category in order to show numbnuts that defenses are scared of Reggie without the ball, then the point is valid and not bullshite.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 7:40 pm to LSUFreek
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My point since page one has been if you base your opinion of Reggie on stat-based performances, you're discounting what Reggie's mere presence on the field brings.
then why are you posting numbers selectively omitting certain stats that don't further your cause?
you honestly don't think other all-purpose guys like Harvin, Cribbs, Sproles, etc don't draw the same or more attention on plays as Bush.
This post was edited on 3/31/10 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 3/31/10 at 7:52 pm to el tigre
I only posted numbers of a rookie and a vet to shut SFP up about "PLENTY" of great producing hybrids. I don't get off on stats or get down because of them.
They do.
And? They are not Saints. I contend that Bush is the Saints' most lethal option for Brees, and have detailed what intangibles Reggie brings to The Saints. I'm not disecting the rest of the league. Just why we would value Reggie so highly on this team.
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you honestly don't think other all-purpose guys like Harvin, Cribbs, Sproles, etc don't draw the same or more attention on plays as Bush.
They do.
And? They are not Saints. I contend that Bush is the Saints' most lethal option for Brees, and have detailed what intangibles Reggie brings to The Saints. I'm not disecting the rest of the league. Just why we would value Reggie so highly on this team.
Posted on 3/31/10 at 8:22 pm to LSUFreek
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I'm defending Reggie from haters that simply look at stats.
And in doing so, disregarding the contributions of other players with bullshite statements like "colston owes Reggie 2 TDs"
Also you go to far creating this atmosphere of over-hype. You go to far, with notions like he is triple teamed. If Reggie(or any player) is ever triple teamed it is a blown coverage.
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are mystified that Sean Payton & Mickey Loomis would so eagerly keep Reggie for such a seemingly high & unbalanced price (if you simply factor in stats).
He isn't worth $8 million a year. sorry call me a hater if you want, but he isn't worth it. For sake of keeping the team together and no offseason drama, the FO is going to pay it in an uncapped year. That said I'll bet you anything that Reggie's next contract will not be worth what his first one was.
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he plays as "huge role" as Brees' most lethal option, even without the ball.
See exactly what I am talking about. "most lethal" "huge role"
Reggie was on the field, less than half the offensive snaps. Not talking touches, talking snaps.
Roughly 41% of the offensive snaps Reggie was on the field. About 20 snaps more than PT. And PT did more with his snaps than Reggie did.
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This would help explain to morons why Payton values him at $8 million next season. (Speaking of which, I'm glad Sean is solidly in my corner.)
Like I said I'll bet you anything you want Reggie's next contract doesn't make him the highest paid RB in the league.
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then the point is valid and not bullshite.
point is bullshite. As you've already admitted in this post, other players on the offense have the same effect. Pointing out Reggie's "assists" without showing me that his are better than the other players is bullshite. Without something to compare your imaginary stat to, how can you possibly know whether Reggie is a huge lethal weapon for the Saints?
Posted on 3/31/10 at 9:21 pm to tigerguy121
It is amazing how our offense scores when Reggie is on the bench. Hey maybe you can show all the video clips win Reggie is sitting on his arse, and we still score.
This has been a exercise in funny to me. Maybe all your little cronies can tell you how smart you are. You are still pretty stupid to me trying to explain how a 8-10 million dollar man who does NOTHING in the stat realm. Still is your MAN.
Reggie is gone after this year.
This has been a exercise in funny to me. Maybe all your little cronies can tell you how smart you are. You are still pretty stupid to me trying to explain how a 8-10 million dollar man who does NOTHING in the stat realm. Still is your MAN.
Reggie is gone after this year.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 1:52 am to tigerguy121
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You go to far, with notions like he is triple teamed
Your right, when 4 people go to cover Reggie for a split second (on play-action), it should be called quadruple-teamed (for a split-second).
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He isn't worth $8 million a year.
You are really going to hate next year, when Reggie is scheduled to make $12 million. Payton has already indicated that Reggie will be here next year, too.
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Roughly 41% of the offensive snaps Reggie was on the field. About 20 snaps more than PT. And PT did more with his snaps than Reggie did.
Stop making up imaginary bullshite. I'd like to know what tab the Snap Stat is under on NFL.com. Individual touches, you argue, that PT produced more "stats" if you get off on them. Snaps? There are no snap stats.
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how can you possibly know whether Reggie is a huge lethal weapon for the Saints
The defenses flowing to Reggie in the clips I linked agree with me that he is the most lethal option. They certainly weren't fearing Colston or else they never would have bit.
But guess what? You are simply a hater. I am right cuz the Front Ofice and Sean Payton agree with me. So give up. You will never win the argument.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 1:59 am to LSUFreek
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:04 am to Saint Slidell
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Reggie is gone after this year.
STFU.
Just a day ago, you said "I believe they will trade Bush unless he takes a pay cut." Now you have him on the team for 2010 but gone for 2011.
You really are a terrible poster. You offer nothing in debate, and contradict yourself all the time when you do try. Just stay out of this thread. It's annoying.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:13 am to tigerguy121
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People besides NFL.com compile stats.
Those stats don't show the snaps where Reggie produced TD's without the ball. So take your snap links and go home. I've shown you video as evidence. You've contributed bullshite that doesn't apply.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:17 am to LSUFreek
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Those stats don't show the snaps where Reggie produced TD's without the ball
I never claimed they did. I think your "assist" stat is stupid. YOU claimed he was huge part of the offense. I showed simply that he was on the field for less than half the offensive snaps.
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I've shown you video as evidence. You've contributed bullshite that doesn't apply.
wow highlight clips. color me impressed
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:21 am to LSUFreek
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weren't fearing Colston
why do you feel the need to shite on the teams #1 WR to talk up Reggie?
Colston is a top 10 WR in the league and just as important to this team as Reggie is.
I have no clue why you need to act like the rest of the team is JV and couldn't score Tds without Reggies help.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:22 am to tigerguy121
You must be thick to not see I was being sarcastic with the "assist" stats.
And the clips were of actual game footage when TD were score without Reggie touching the ball. It backs up my argument. Again, are you that thick in the head not to see the difference between my argument-relevant evidence and your irrelevant crap?
And the clips were of actual game footage when TD were score without Reggie touching the ball. It backs up my argument. Again, are you that thick in the head not to see the difference between my argument-relevant evidence and your irrelevant crap?
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:28 am to jacks40
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just as important to this team as Reggie is.
I'm not shitting on Colston. He gets his due in the "stat" category. You and other stat-lovers shite on Reggie cuz he doesn't show up in stats.
There are only a handful of truly dangerous & explosive players in this league. The defenses that flow towards Reggie without the ball prove they fear him more than other Saints players. It's an indirect fact.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:31 am to LSUFreek
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You must be thick to not see I was being sarcastic with the "assist" stats.
yet you keep bringing it up. Let's look at the rest of the post.
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And the clips were of actual game footage when TD were score without Reggie touching the ball.
Well frick me, it's reggie being given credit again for assisting a TD.
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Again, are you that thick in the head not to see the difference between my argument-relevant evidence and your irrelevant crap?
You said he was a huge part of the offense, I said he was on the field less than half the time the offense was. It was completely relevant. You can accuse me of making it up, which when that didn't pan out it suddenly becomes irrelevant. Irrelevant in the sense you are sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "Im not listening lalalalalal"
Call me a hater. I want Reggie on the team, I just think $8 million, if there was a cap, is a bad allocation of resources for any RB, in our offense. I think $12 million is an even bigger mistake, but thats a year maybe even longer if there is a lockout from happening.
You want to crown Reggie, go for it. He is a valuable member of the team, but no more than PT, Colston, Evans, Nicks, and certainly not Drew.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:35 am to LSUFreek
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You and other stat lovers shite on Reggie
please show me where I shite on Reggie in this thread?
You are flailing around wildly and calling out anyone that disagrees with you on anything. Reasonable minds can disagree but you would rather see people shiting on Reggie. It seems like you have completely tossed out logic and reason from this discussion.
Posted on 4/1/10 at 2:38 am to jacks40
Thanks SlidellSaint or whatever your pathetic name is. Hope you're happy.
Frankly, Reggie has a Super Bowl ring as a RB. Say what you want, but the man has a damn SB ring as a New Orleans Saint. A Heisman trophy winner that plays for the Saints has a SUPER BOWL RING.
Dear God, I pray that this doesn't continue along the road of the RANT.
Frankly, Reggie has a Super Bowl ring as a RB. Say what you want, but the man has a damn SB ring as a New Orleans Saint. A Heisman trophy winner that plays for the Saints has a SUPER BOWL RING.
Dear God, I pray that this doesn't continue along the road of the RANT.
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