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Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:24 am to LSUsmartass
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the main issue is Les lied about making the signal
I know this is the main issue for a lot of people, but not for me. He may have initially thought there were 2-3 seconds left, started to signal for the spike, realized that there was only second left and then signalled for the FG team. The video shows the first couple of seconds after the catch.
In any event, the game was really lost Before the last play. It started with the bonehead decision to throw on first and 10 at the Ole Miss 30 yard line. We were already in field goal range, but on the longish side.
We could have, and should have, just run the ball with 2 timeouts and try to get a few yards closer. Who knows, Ridley or shepard might have broken a run for 10 or more. Worse comes to worse, if we gain nothing, we know we are within range.
The decision to run a slow-developing pass play, with a 19 year old QB who has an established habit this year of holding onto the ball too long and taking unnecessary sacks, in a situation where we had to avoid losing yards at all costs, was insane. And disastrous.
Crowton apparently called the bonehead play, but Miles is responsible for not countermanding it. He is the Head Coach, after all.
We followed that up with another losing pass in the flat, followed by inexplicably letting about 15-20 seconds roll off the clock before calling the timeout. Miles' explanation that he verbally called timeout and didn't realize right away that the ref didn't hear him is ludicrous on its face. You don't just say "time out" and then turn away on the assumption that it was given. He should have had his eyes on the clock and, seeing it still running, chased the ref down if necessary.
I have defended Miles in the past, based on his overall record and a National Championship. But there is just no way to spin any of this in his favor. His decisions today make Bill Belichick look smart again.
I feel for the players, who I think gave it everything they have today. They were let down by their coaches, Crowton and Miles.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:29 am to RobbBobb
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He never called for a spike. He was saying that TT was down when the Ole Miss defender stripped him.
Could have been but after looking at the end of the video again, Miles started the spike signal then at the very end he looks and sees 1 second on the clock instead of 2 or 3. This makes me think he did get the spike signal. If he intentionally lied or not is a different story.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:30 am to nhsj012
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damn JJ, when are you going to grow.
Jefferson certainly should have known not to take the sack, but I don't want to put the blame entirely on him. You can't expect a 19 year old to be smarter than his coaches. He should never have been put in that position in the first place, particularly with his record of taking sacks this year.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:38 am to kgcTigerFan
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efferson certainly should have known not to take the sack, but I don't want to put the blame entirely on him. You can't expect a 19 year old to be smarter than his coaches. He should never have been put in that position in the first place, particularly with his record of taking sacks this year.
I put no blame on Jefferson for the end of the game. I think alot of little things he could fix on his own that affect his play and decision making during the entire game and entire season for that matter. For instance, he constantly throws the ball high. My arse would be throwing after practice everyday until I fixed it. No field control and bad pocket presence have absolutely no bearing on the coaches. JJ needs to get his head straight with or without the coaches.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 12:39 am
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:43 am to BamaScoop
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"The Meltdown in Mississippi"
Yeah... we can compare it to Pearl Harbor and 911.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:47 am to fitz1190
Insane, you can see him going down the field the opposite way gesturing to kick the ball but the media spins for the spike.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:53 am to ShermanTxTiger
game plan:
- Recover onsides kick - completed (hardest task)
- complete pass over middle in side 30 yd line - completed (second hardest task)
- run ball 2 times in middle of field - Incomplete (easiest task)
- Kick field goal with time running out - Incomplete (second easiest task)
I'm sorry. I have been a Les Miles supporter throughout the season, but there is no excuse for this. I don't think we will do any better if we fire him, but he better recognize his inabilities and improve. If not, I'm afraid LSU is destined for several "dark" seasons in the near future. I back Les, but it's hard to do so when he "f"s up like this.
- Recover onsides kick - completed (hardest task)
- complete pass over middle in side 30 yd line - completed (second hardest task)
- run ball 2 times in middle of field - Incomplete (easiest task)
- Kick field goal with time running out - Incomplete (second easiest task)
I'm sorry. I have been a Les Miles supporter throughout the season, but there is no excuse for this. I don't think we will do any better if we fire him, but he better recognize his inabilities and improve. If not, I'm afraid LSU is destined for several "dark" seasons in the near future. I back Les, but it's hard to do so when he "f"s up like this.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:56 am to LSUsmartass
#EXACTLY - Miles is sitting there in the media room after that game that his kids just played their hearts off to get in a position to win the FREAKIN game and he's on the side lines calling for a spike. What is this guy THINKING? How about - I'm a great guy - I love LSU - I'm awesome at recruiting - great guy all around - but you know what - I am horrible with game day management and game clock management - It simply sads me to say it - this guy has been great for LSU - through the good (NC 2007) and bad (Katrina) - just been spectacular - but he is not developing the talent and is the WORST game day coach in football...unless he has two or more weeks to prepare. Really pains me to say it.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:57 am to SeattleTiger19
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SeattleTiger19
Video of Les Lying About Telling Jefferson to Spike
Insane, you can see him going down the field the opposite way gesturing to kick the ball but the media spins for the spike.
Get it right...he was Angus Younging it down the opposite side of the field.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 12:59 am to WoWyHi
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he was Angus Younging it down the opposite side of the field.
I get a kick out of that. Looked just like what he was doing.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:00 am to msutiger
You need to edit your title. Its clear now that Miles was not calling for a spike.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:03 am to LSUTANGERINE
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LSUTANGERINE
Video of Les Lying About Telling Jefferson to Spike
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he was Angus Younging it down the opposite side of the field.
I get a kick out of that. Looked just like what he was doing.
I know I'm giving you guys a hard time but it's the only thing I can really laugh at tonight...
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:16 am to WoWyHi
Well it's pretty clear that all the players are looking back at the clock at the very end of the video, on BOTH teams. So apparently the players on the field knew LSU had possession and wanted to see how much time was left.
So if the players are looking at the clock, the clock is stopped. If the clock is stopped and Les is making that signal, what exactly is he signaling for?
So I repeat: You can see it on the players faces, possession was never an issue and you can tell by the manner in which they walked, looking at the score board, the clock was stopped.
1. Clock stopped.
2. LSU has possession.
So Les Miles then takes this time to repeatedly convince the refs that we have possession and to stop the clock?
So if the players are looking at the clock, the clock is stopped. If the clock is stopped and Les is making that signal, what exactly is he signaling for?
So I repeat: You can see it on the players faces, possession was never an issue and you can tell by the manner in which they walked, looking at the score board, the clock was stopped.
1. Clock stopped.
2. LSU has possession.
So Les Miles then takes this time to repeatedly convince the refs that we have possession and to stop the clock?
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 1:19 am
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:19 am to nhsj012
If the dumbass plays are not called we stay in field goal range. But calling a pass and taking a sack put us in the bad situation where we had to hail mary. Any way you slice it, it's bad coaching.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:21 am to theunknownknight
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So Les Miles then takes this time to repeated convince the refs that we have possession and to stop the clock?
Les never signaled anything until the Ole Miss player held up the ball. LSU players were walking away from the area Miles was signaling to, and the QB was back at the 50, so why was Miles pointing to the ground where the the ref and Ole Miss players were. Did he want them to spike it for LSU?
Or did he want to guarantee that the signal went to LSU and not Ole Miss. Maybe he was wanting a review and the stopped clock that comes with it?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:27 am to RobbBobb
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Les never signaled anything until the Ole Miss player held up the ball.
I saw that, but the ref never signaled that we lost possession so what is Les arguing here?
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LSU players were walking away from the area Miles was signaling to, and the QB was back at the 50
Jefferson was not at the 50. Go back and look where Tolliver is. He is already standing back up. If you recall, after he caught the ball he was down for a split second. So during the time Tolliver was walking away Jefferson had already ran down the field.
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so why was Miles pointing to the ground where the the ref and Ole Miss players were.
I have the same question. Nothing the refs signaled warrented a rebuttal like that.
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Maybe he was wanting a review and the stopped clock that comes with it?
A review of what?
The best answer I can come up with was that he thought there would be 2 seconds left and he was shouting at anyone who was by the ball to line up and spike immediately. Notice how he never even looks up at the clock at first. Then, obviously he sees that there is only 1 second left.
Jefferson received the signal from the sideline.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 1:29 am
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:30 am to theunknownknight
Heres another angle. No signal by the ref until the Ole Miss player was on his feet, which was after Miles was trying to influence the call
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:33 am to RobbBobb
No where to hide! Les, and his caoches were ill prepared for success, much less the idea of managing the end of the game, with a kicker who could easily have won the game!!!!
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:36 am to RobbBobb
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Heres another angle.
I see your point, but there aren't any refs looking at Miles. If you put the videos together, the only people Miles could be in communication with are the players. But I can see your point. My issue is that Jefferson said he recieved the signal from the sideline and you can see him look over there at 2:09. It's clear a coach gave him the call and every reporter on the sideline said it came from Les. On top of that, there are posters on this site who know players personally who are saying the call came from Les.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 1:37 am
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