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Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:30 pm
I posted this in another thread, but think it should have its own.
I'm just fascinated by the way that the entire 2004 season seems to have disappeared from the minds of so many LSU fans. That season included losses to every team we played that finished with more than 7 wins.
For a refresher, here's a quick recap of the where we were at this point of the season in Nick Saban's 5th year at LSU.
Game 1- LSU comes from behind at home to beat 7-5 Oregon State in overtime. Oregon's kicker missed three extra points.
Game 2- LSU beats Arkansas State handily.
Game 3- LSU plays at Auburn, loses.
Game 4- LSU beats 3-win State handily.
Game 5- LSU loses by 29 at Georgia.
Game 6- LSU defeats 7-5 UF by 3 with last minute heroics by Joseph Addai
Game 7- LSU comes from behind in the last 2 minutes to defeat 7-5 Troy at home by 4
Game 8- A 2nd half punt return for a TD breaks open a close game over 2-9 Vandy
Game 9- 26-10 win at home over 6-6 Bama which included a missed PI call in the endzone that would've given Bama at minimum a 13-6 lead.
Game 10- LSU again comes from behind to beat 4-9 Ole Miss by 3.
Basically, even if Miles loses another game this season (actually not "even if", just "if," because if he wins out then this year will be better), the season will be almost identical to that the final year of "attitude and excellence" or whatever other BS people keep spewing (except that we haven't been blown out this year and Saban had a better QB situation).
It's fine to want better. But stop yearning for the return of some imaginary period of complete and utter dominance in the past. It never happened.
I'm just fascinated by the way that the entire 2004 season seems to have disappeared from the minds of so many LSU fans. That season included losses to every team we played that finished with more than 7 wins.
For a refresher, here's a quick recap of the where we were at this point of the season in Nick Saban's 5th year at LSU.
Game 1- LSU comes from behind at home to beat 7-5 Oregon State in overtime. Oregon's kicker missed three extra points.
Game 2- LSU beats Arkansas State handily.
Game 3- LSU plays at Auburn, loses.
Game 4- LSU beats 3-win State handily.
Game 5- LSU loses by 29 at Georgia.
Game 6- LSU defeats 7-5 UF by 3 with last minute heroics by Joseph Addai
Game 7- LSU comes from behind in the last 2 minutes to defeat 7-5 Troy at home by 4
Game 8- A 2nd half punt return for a TD breaks open a close game over 2-9 Vandy
Game 9- 26-10 win at home over 6-6 Bama which included a missed PI call in the endzone that would've given Bama at minimum a 13-6 lead.
Game 10- LSU again comes from behind to beat 4-9 Ole Miss by 3.
Basically, even if Miles loses another game this season (actually not "even if", just "if," because if he wins out then this year will be better), the season will be almost identical to that the final year of "attitude and excellence" or whatever other BS people keep spewing (except that we haven't been blown out this year and Saban had a better QB situation).
It's fine to want better. But stop yearning for the return of some imaginary period of complete and utter dominance in the past. It never happened.
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:34 pm to deSandman
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It's fine to want better. But stop yearning for the return of some imaginary period of complete and utter dominance in the past. It never happened.
We've actually dominated more under Miles reign than under the tiny one.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:35 pm to deSandman
Why do you idiots keep mentioning Saban?
To prove something about Miles?
To prove something about Miles?
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:38 pm to deSandman
Once again you ask for logic from people who do not seek it. I have no problem with wanting Crowton's head on stick. I do have a problem with making Nick Satan into a coaching God he is a Defensive mastermind that is it.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:38 pm to deSandman
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Game 9- 26-10 win at home over 6-6 Bama which included a missed PI call in the endzone that would've given Bama at minimum a 13-6 lead.
you underestimate the power of saban. the mere fact that he would be taking over bama a few years later already made them a better coached team.
therefor, the close game is more of a testament to how amazing saban is.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:49 pm to deSandman
quote:We're not. Saban sucked that year and Miles sucked last year. What point are you trying to make?
It's fine to want better. But stop yearning for the return of some imaginary period of complete and utter dominance in the past. It never happened.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:56 pm to deSandman
Miles' ineptness has nothing to do with Saban.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 4:58 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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We're not. Saban sucked that year and Miles sucked last year. What point are you trying to make?
Are you seriously arguing that no one has commented about a drop-off in play from Saban to this year? Really?
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:01 pm to deSandman
2004 has nothing to do with this year. That said, 2004 was a snoozer of a season due to a boring offense. QB problems plus the customary conservative Jimbo/Saban offense.
I think what differentiates 2004 from 2009 is that this is the second year in a row where LSU is mediocre, whereas obviously 2004 was a down year due to QB issues but the team was ready to bounce back in 2005. So all this does is show that we need to give Miles another year. But let's be honest, this is the 2nd mediocre year in a row and LSU has too much talent to be down more than 2 years.
I think what differentiates 2004 from 2009 is that this is the second year in a row where LSU is mediocre, whereas obviously 2004 was a down year due to QB issues but the team was ready to bounce back in 2005. So all this does is show that we need to give Miles another year. But let's be honest, this is the 2nd mediocre year in a row and LSU has too much talent to be down more than 2 years.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:09 pm to biglego
Take out 2003 and every season, with the exception of last, has been about the same.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:29 pm to biglego
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But let's be honest, this is the 2nd mediocre year in a row
Definition of mediocre:
quote:
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.
This season, so far, is neither of these.
Let's be honest, 8-2 with our only 2 losses coming to the #1 and #2 teams in the nation, being ranked in the top 10, and having a chance to play in the widely recognized top non-BCS bowl (Capital One), is not "mediocre". I know the word mediocre is subjective, but come on, the season that I just described to you is in no way mediocre.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:34 pm to Tigrus Maximus
The play has been much more mediocre than the record indicates this season. Based on record, this season is not mediocre. Based on record the last 16 SEC games, 8-8, our record is mediocre. Guess it just depends on what you're looking at.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:36 pm to drizztiger
Just for the record, your losses last year mean nothing toward this year. So this is a moot and utterly retarded point to make. Different team than last year.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:38 pm to lsutigerbrian
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Just for the record, your losses last year mean nothing toward this year. So this is a moot and utterly retarded point to make. Different team than last year.
Noticing SEC trends is nowhere near "utterly retarded". Different team, same program.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:43 pm to lsutigerbrian
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Just for the record, your losses last year mean nothing toward this year. So this is a moot and utterly retarded point to make. Different team than last year.
Not just ^^^this^^^
But to go back 16 SEC games, you would have to go back into the 2007 season, which makes his defense of the mediocre comment laughable.
The point I was refuting was that someone said that this season is currently mediocre. I will admit that if we lose the next 2 games, it will be somewhat mediocre. But for someone to call the 2009 LSU Football Season, at this point in time, mediocre, is completely absurd/ridiculous/illogical.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:48 pm to Tigrus Maximus
Illogical is judging solely based on the end result, especially with such a small sample size. 16 games is perfectly logical because it adds up to two full SEC seasons.
LSU has played absolutely mediocre this season. And last season. You can choose to ignore it, that is your decision.
LSU has played absolutely mediocre this season. And last season. You can choose to ignore it, that is your decision.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 5:58 pm to drizztiger
I guess you had trouble reading and comprehending my original post on this thread that was in response to someone saying that this, 2009, was the "2nd mediocre year in a row" for LSU Football. I was specifically refuting the claim that the CURRENT year, 2009, is not mediocre based on the definition of mediocrity. For you to use games from the 2007 season to comment on my post regarding the CURRENT, 2009, season is absurd/ridiculous/illogical. Can you follow this?
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:03 pm to drizztiger
quote:why does the fact that it adds up to two seasons make it logical? is 24 less logical? 32?
16 games is perfectly logical because it adds up to two full SEC seasons.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:03 pm to Tigrus Maximus
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Can you follow this?
I can follow your low triple digit IQ just fine. Again, LSU has played very mediocre this season even though the record may indicate otherwise. And furthermore, looking back to last season or even the last 16 SEC games that LSU has played, the trend of mediocrity is glaring.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 6:07 pm to drexyl
quote:Depends on the sample size you want to use. Football uses different sample sizes all the time to illustrate trends. How many times do you hear "24 unanswered points"? It shows the trend. It isn't specific to the final score, just the trend. Why have record of last 10 games played overall or last 10 games against a certain team? Or LSU hasn't lost to Louisiana Tech since 1904?
why does the fact that it adds up to two seasons make it logical? is 24 less logical? 32?
They all represent trends. I use the last 16 games because it equates to two full SEC schedules. It also shows a glaring trend.
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