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What makes one a Miles "apologist?"

Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:43 am
Posted by Leonides
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
1270 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:43 am
Since when does being pleased with five straight winning seasons, playing in two SEC Championship games, winning an SEC Championship, winning a National Championship, going 4-0 in bowl games with all of them being blowout victories (2 of them BCS bowl games), getting ready to play in a 5th bowl game, and annually having top 10 recruiting classes make one a Les Miles apologist?
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94765 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:45 am to
I'll answer before they even get here....

"It's the downward spiral LSU is in right now."

I've been trying to figure out for the past 3 days how the possibility of being 10-2 with this team is a "downward spiral". I'm still working on it. I'll let you know what I find.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:47 am to
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possibility of being 10-2

8-4 is also possible.
Posted by bayoubaer
BRLA
Member since Sep 2009
553 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:48 am to
The answer isnt about what hes done before, its about what he hasnt done lately, which is win the big ones that count.
Posted by Tigerdogg
"Jack Hunt!! Jack Hunt!!"
Member since Feb 2005
1082 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:48 am to
quote:

I've been trying to figure out for the past 3 days how the possibility of being 10-2 with this team is a "downward spiral". I'm still working on it. I'll let you know what I find.

I found the answer, It's not possible
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94765 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:49 am to
quote:

8-4 is also possible.


Think that's going to happen?
Posted by Leonides
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
1270 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:54 am to
quote:

8-4 is also possible.
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Think that's going to happen?


Of course 8-4 is not going to happen. What is disturbing is that there are LSU fans who want it to happen so discontent among the LSU fan base will grow to the point Miles is eventually forced out.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 7:58 am to
quote:

Think that's going to happen?

I didn't think we would lose 3 of the last 4 games last year, so who knows. I think we are a better team this year, but Ole Miss and Arkansas always play us tough.


Posted by HONDEAUX
Out Yonder
Member since Sep 2009
592 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:01 am to
Don't you just love people who believe just cause it happened last year, it will again this year.

I think these are the people who want failure.

LSU's team is different, and so are the teams of our opponents.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:01 am to
quote:

The answer isnt about what hes done before, its about what he hasnt done lately, which is win the big ones that count.


very true...gotta win the big ones, been a few years since this happened...starts to look like a trend...Gonna be until next year that we play those big ones again then everyone will quite down..but until he does, he kinda deserves some critizism, LSU isnt a job you can just get "comfortable" in....It just looks like he is settling in and not working as hard, the team looks sloppy with penaltys and mistakes all the time, doesnt look like a very well coached team...Thats apart of his job and he is paid very well to have his job done...
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4772 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:03 am to
quote:

Since when does being pleased with five straight winning seasons, playing in two SEC Championship games, winning an SEC Championship, winning a National Championship, going 4-0 in bowl games with all of them being blowout victories (2 of them BCS bowl games), getting ready to play in a 5th bowl game, and annually having top 10 recruiting classes make one a Les Miles apologist?

I'll take a shot at this.

Because his last winning season was the first that did not post double digit wins (simply not good enough), he lost an SEC championship when his starting QB went down with injury in the 1st half of the championship game (also not good enough), he won SEC and National Championships with 2 losses (not good enough), he's only got us to BCS bowls half the time (apparently not good enough), he has not had a better recruiting class than Saban yet (definitely not good enough). Plus, his teams simply don't pass the eye test.

And oh, I almost forgot to mention - the main reason all this is not good enough is because he had Saban's magnificent talent, which should have yielded much better results. Any high school asst coach could have taken over that team and won 10 games a year at least, hell they probably didn't even need a coach, they could just just run out on the field and make plays.

For all these reasons, if you support Miles, your an idiot. At lease that's how the argument goes as far as I can tell.
Posted by JustSmokin
Member since Sep 2007
9162 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:04 am to
quote:

Don't you just love people who believe just cause it happened last year, it will again this year.

I think these are the people who want failure.

LSU's team is different, and so are the teams of our opponents.



quote:

I think we are a better team this year
This post was edited on 11/11/09 at 8:06 am
Posted by bayoubaer
BRLA
Member since Sep 2009
553 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:06 am to
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and he is paid very well to have his job done...


Actually, this is the best reason for expectations to be so high. Maybe his yearly salary should reflect his yearly performance. And didnt he just give his coaches raises?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:09 am to
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very true...gotta win the big ones, been a few years since this happened...starts to look like a trend


You have to take into account the situation he was put in with a few of the players.
Posted by jmath23lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
811 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:11 am to
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And didnt he just give his coaches raises?



They are state employees. Raises have to be voted on, Miles can't just give them a raise.

Expectations can be high, rightfully so. He's making big money to produce big results, but to expect SEC and National championships every year or every other year is ridiculous given the competition LSU faces every year.
Posted by bayoubaer
BRLA
Member since Sep 2009
553 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:11 am to
quote:

You have to take into account the situation he was put in with a few of the players.


I think that answers the initial question better than anything else, the true definition of an apologist, huh?

My response: a good coach is deep enough that a "few" players do not derail a team like it did last year.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18510 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:13 am to
quote:

Don't you just love people who believe just cause it happened last year, it will again this year.

I think these are the people who want failure.

LSU's team is different, and so are the teams of our opponents.


We knew our defense would be different this year because of Chavis. The chances were in our favor for having a better defense because last year the coaching was so poor.

So, the question is, what is going to change on the offensive side?

If we try more of the same, we will get the same.

We need to make another change on the offensive side.
Posted by bayoubaer
BRLA
Member since Sep 2009
553 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:13 am to
quote:

Raises have to be voted on


wrong, the money comes from TAF, which is a private organization, smarty pants.

Miles is listed by the state as having a $300,000 salary but TAF picks up the other $3,700,000. Besides, the Legislature does not vote on pay for state employees anyway.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Member since Mar 2007
22097 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:18 am to
quote:

I've been trying to figure out for the past 3 days how the possibility of being 10-2 with this team is a "downward spiral". I'm still working on it. I'll let you know what I find.



Come on Prom. You know damn well that we are BY FAR the most talented team in the country. Hell, several NFL teams would trade for our roster right now. If we had even a HALFWAY decent coach, LSU would not have lost a game in 2005, 2006, 2007, or this year. We MAYBE would have lost 1 last year to Florida, but it sure as hell wouldn't have been by 30+.

For the past five years, our talent alone has won 50 games IN SPITE OF our "coach". Accepting 2 losses in any of those years is just plain settling. LSU is the best, and every day we settle for Miles, is another day keeping us from our potential of total world domination.

Sincerely,

ranter Nation





This post was edited on 11/11/09 at 8:21 am
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36804 posts
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:20 am to
Miles is an outstanding coach. Don't let these douchebag Sabanistas get to you. If Miles were to leave and Pete Carroll came to LSU, or Sean Payton came to LSU,these dorks would focus only on the negative that transpired during their tenure.

These jackasses really need to just pull for Alabama.
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