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re: Interesting comment from Shep

Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:31 pm to
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Room and time to make a move before everybody shows up.



please read earlier post...
Posted by louistiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
75 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:31 pm to
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he also mentions about working on special teams (punt/KO returns).
I would love to see this.

I've been wondering this for a few weeks now. Holliday is fast, but Shep is quick and can make those cuts that Holliday just seems unable to make.


Do you notice how you hold your breath when Holiday is catching punts? Imagine watching a game where a true freshman who hasn't proven any ability to catch a ball under pressure..

I'd much rather stick with the "sure thing" and have Jones back there to make the catch.
Posted by Good Times
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:39 pm to
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please read earlier post...



I did, again. I agree with the speed of pursuit in the SEC. It's still easier for a smaller, elusive player to get room to run if he is away from the majority of defenders. If I've misunderstood your point, my apologies.
Posted by Chuck U Farley
The 318
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:45 pm to
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In the 1st quarter the other night, it seemed to me that Les had been reading the rant and was trying to get back on their good side. It did seem like they were forcing it. Wasn't he in on the second play?


This cant be true, at least I hope not. I thought the same thing though. They did everything the fans have bitched about. Probably not for that reason, but still. I pretty sure that they havent fallen off so much that they are looking at the rant for inspiration.
Posted by LSUthrilla
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
2099 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:49 pm to
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I did, again. I agree with the speed of pursuit in the SEC. It's still easier for a smaller, elusive player to get room to run if he is away from the majority of defenders.


I dont think speed of defenders has much to do with it since these flare passes are used a bunch in the NFL. I think the problem is that when ran perfectly and everything works out right it can be broken for good yardage.

You must remember that when this play is ran if a LB reads it correctly the RB can be BLOWN UP big time.
Posted by Chuck U Farley
The 318
Member since Oct 2007
8994 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 12:54 pm to
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You must remember that when this play is ran if a LB reads it correctly the RB can be BLOWN UP big time.


This is the first thing I thought of. Of course this is not ping pong its football.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36905 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:06 pm to
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I cited an example of what a guy who is very similar in ability did in a competent offensive scheme. Harvins or Shepards dont' come along often.


harvins stats are pretty rare.

i was saying that people seem to think that a freshman should easily be able to step in and be all world.

harvin was an exception, not the rule.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69035 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:14 pm to
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either way, i think they are throwing a lot of different things at him. and its not like he is the #1 at any of those positions


Exactly.. he is at least third at every position. Give it some time and we will be seeing more of what we saw saturday.
Posted by hemiroid
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2009
1460 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:16 pm to
I don't think everybody thinks freshman will come in and set everything on fire, but I do think people thought this about Shep. Remember he is an (Exceptional) athlete
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:36 pm to
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harvins stats are pretty rare.
b/c he's a rare talent like RS, main difference is that he was in a much better offense w/ coaches that were capable of utilizing him.
This post was edited on 10/28/09 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Guesser
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
134 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:38 pm to
Shep should be used similar to the way Reggie Bush is used in New Orleans. Very rarely send him between the tackles, but mostly throw him flares and other pass routes out of the backfield. Sweeps, tosses, and other outside "speed" runs should also be available.

The coaches need to realize that someone WILL ALWAYS account for RS when hes in the game. He should be able to get favorable matchups for other players just by being on the field.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32455 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:40 pm to
Reggie runs between the tackles at least 3 times a game. Almost half of his touches are generally between the tackles.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36905 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:47 pm to
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b/c he's a rare talent like RS, main difference is that he was in a much better offense w/ coaches that were capable of utilizing him.


its just two different situations.

i don't remember what florida had at running back and wr when harvin was a freshman. i am sure they had talent but just don't remember that year. did they have a young qb starting his first full year? nope.

just saying, just because one team played it one way doesn't mean every team can or should do that. we have established upper classmen that can do the job. or at least we thought at the beginning of the year. but you are right. we should just shelve them and put Shep out there every play.

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Reggie runs between the tackles at least 3 times a game. Almost half of his touches are generally between the tackles.


people don't generally think about things before they post them.
This post was edited on 10/28/09 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Guesser
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
134 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:47 pm to
No doubt, youve gotta give him those "show me" touches between the tackles. However, we all know that is not where he is the biggest threat.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 1:56 pm to
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its just two different situations.
b/c LSU's staff is incapable of utilizing a talent as well as UF's

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we have established upper classmen that can do the job
Orly?

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but you are right. we should just shelve them and put Shep out there every play.
quit being over dramatic

Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36905 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 2:00 pm to
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b/c LSU's staff is incapable of utilizing a talent as well as UF's


yeah, i thought that as well when we had a senior qb running our offense.

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Orly?


yes

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quit being over dramatic


pretty sure the fact that i don't expect a freshman to come in and wow every one means i am not the one being overly dramatic.
Posted by Chicot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2007
1279 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 2:04 pm to
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its not that hard to learn 2 plays from the wildcat and 2 off tackle runs that RS does


Sounds to me like you just explained why he doesn't get on the field much. Those are the only plays that he does...Can't run them all the time.

Really though, I don't think anyone has ever called him dumb or incapable of learning, just maybe that the coaches are trying to force hime to learn too much at one time....Trying to be good at 3 positions, instead of great at one.
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1645 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 2:10 pm to
BTW, examples get cited.

As to the upright running style, certainly slowed Eric Dickerson down....
Posted by LSshoe
Burrowing through a pile o MikePoop
Member since Jan 2008
4036 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 2:19 pm to
perhaps the coaches dont give a shite about Sheps stats this year. They know they have a ridiculous weapon who is waiting to explode. Perhaps instead of trying to get him to do everything he can this year (or at least this early) they are letting him feel his way in. RB is one of the easier positions to play, so let him play running back to learn the speed and the physicality of the game. Next let him learn the wide reciever spot. let him learn how routes are run in college and the way defenses react to them. get a grasp for going up against an sec defense and catching the ball. then once he knows the field let him play QB where his true ability can be utilized.

perhaps this isnt exactly what the coaches are doing but i think its probably pretty close.

we are at a position where we dont NEED Shep in at any of the positions that he can play (except maybe QB where his inexperience would put us in the same situation were in now) so if we can let him learn the game without getting thrown to the wolves we will have an intelligent, experienced dominant weapon at our disposal waiting to be deployed.

just remember guys, this isnt the only year that hes here. this guy was at the prom not too long ago



to seeing shep blow up in the very near future
Posted by Chicot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2007
1279 posts
Posted on 10/28/09 at 2:20 pm to
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BTW, examples get cited.


?

Clarify please.
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