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Ok I have seen enough....
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:42 pm
I have been a long time lurker and just never felt the need to join the discussion but now a few things need to be said...
1. To all the people that think there is a new generation of "spoiled" LSU fans since 2003 I think that is a complete farse. Back in the late 80's and 90's and early 2000, I as well as most LSU fans were happy with 8-3, 9-2 type seasons cause at that time LSU could not match the talent of the Florida St., Miami, Florida, Nebraska's etc. of the college football world. Nick Saban was able to turn that around with superior recruiting and elevate LSU's talent level to that of the elite of college football. So now its not unrealistic or unreasonable or being "spoiled" to expect LSU to compete for championships year in and year out when their talent level is equal to or exceeds any team they play. Is it wrong to be aggravated watching such a talented team underachieve? This can only be attributed to coaching. Florida, Alabama, Ohio St., USC, Texas, etc can consistantly be in the title discussion no reason we shouldnt.
2. there is this ongoing debate as to why the offense has been offensive thus far. some think offensive line, others quarterback and others play calling. Its is a combination of all 3. while the offensive line has graded out well below average you cannot consistantly block 7, 8, and 9 man fronts. Defenses know that LSU cant or wont strech the field vertically so there is no penalty for stacking the line of scrimmage. Even if they are unsuccessful at throwing deep it still must be attempted from time to time to make the defense defend it and back of the running game. Which leads to poor play calling. The offense can only run what is called so it is up to whomever may be calling the plays (at this point it looks like a 10 year old on Xbox) to be more creative and diverse rather than running the same basic plays over and over. If i can look at the formation and guess the play call I know defensive coordinators can. As far as quarterbacks I am really not an advocate of Jefferson or Lee. I think neither has excelled when given the opportunity. I do believe that Lee should at least be given another look. What plagued him was poor decision making, which usually improves from year to year with guys that start as freshman. He has all the tools and should be given another chance to see if his decision making has improved. Jefferson does not make the mistakes Lee made but also does not move the offense with any consistancy at all. Lee moved the offense but just gave back too many of the points we scored. Some quarterbacks just never "get it" and maybe thats the case with Lee but we will never know unless he is given another shot. Not to mention it may do Jefferson some good to sit out a couple of series and see from the sidelines what he is not seeing on the field and then go back an apply what he saw back to the field. At this point it certainly would not hurt.
alright then. needed to vent and now I feel much better. Im sure ill get flamed beings as its my first post which means im an idiot and have no clue and just saw my first ever college football game this past weekend but its cool ill sit back and enjoy.
1. To all the people that think there is a new generation of "spoiled" LSU fans since 2003 I think that is a complete farse. Back in the late 80's and 90's and early 2000, I as well as most LSU fans were happy with 8-3, 9-2 type seasons cause at that time LSU could not match the talent of the Florida St., Miami, Florida, Nebraska's etc. of the college football world. Nick Saban was able to turn that around with superior recruiting and elevate LSU's talent level to that of the elite of college football. So now its not unrealistic or unreasonable or being "spoiled" to expect LSU to compete for championships year in and year out when their talent level is equal to or exceeds any team they play. Is it wrong to be aggravated watching such a talented team underachieve? This can only be attributed to coaching. Florida, Alabama, Ohio St., USC, Texas, etc can consistantly be in the title discussion no reason we shouldnt.
2. there is this ongoing debate as to why the offense has been offensive thus far. some think offensive line, others quarterback and others play calling. Its is a combination of all 3. while the offensive line has graded out well below average you cannot consistantly block 7, 8, and 9 man fronts. Defenses know that LSU cant or wont strech the field vertically so there is no penalty for stacking the line of scrimmage. Even if they are unsuccessful at throwing deep it still must be attempted from time to time to make the defense defend it and back of the running game. Which leads to poor play calling. The offense can only run what is called so it is up to whomever may be calling the plays (at this point it looks like a 10 year old on Xbox) to be more creative and diverse rather than running the same basic plays over and over. If i can look at the formation and guess the play call I know defensive coordinators can. As far as quarterbacks I am really not an advocate of Jefferson or Lee. I think neither has excelled when given the opportunity. I do believe that Lee should at least be given another look. What plagued him was poor decision making, which usually improves from year to year with guys that start as freshman. He has all the tools and should be given another chance to see if his decision making has improved. Jefferson does not make the mistakes Lee made but also does not move the offense with any consistancy at all. Lee moved the offense but just gave back too many of the points we scored. Some quarterbacks just never "get it" and maybe thats the case with Lee but we will never know unless he is given another shot. Not to mention it may do Jefferson some good to sit out a couple of series and see from the sidelines what he is not seeing on the field and then go back an apply what he saw back to the field. At this point it certainly would not hurt.
alright then. needed to vent and now I feel much better. Im sure ill get flamed beings as its my first post which means im an idiot and have no clue and just saw my first ever college football game this past weekend but its cool ill sit back and enjoy.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:43 pm to tigerinthebayou
Feel better now?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:43 pm to tigerinthebayou
I am a proponent of the Hodson/Guidry era strategy that Bill and Archer used. Let JJ come out and watch.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:45 pm to tigerinthebayou
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Lee should at least be given another look.
Foe no other reason than there is no place else to look. Shep is too lite as of know. (But could be used more as a decoy)
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:45 pm to tigerinthebayou
That was a great 1st post.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:45 pm to tigerinthebayou
good 1st post!
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:46 pm to tigerinthebayou
Well, I for one think you damn near hit the nail on the head. Good job. Good post.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:47 pm to tigerinthebayou
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2. there is this ongoing debate as to why the offense has been offensive thus far. some think offensive line, others quarterback and others play calling. Its is a combination of all 3. while the offensive line has graded out well below average you cannot consistantly block 7, 8, and 9 man fronts. Defenses know that LSU cant or wont strech the field vertically so there is no penalty for stacking the line of scrimmage. Even if they are unsuccessful at throwing deep it still must be attempted from time to time to make the defense defend it and back of the running game. Which leads to poor play calling. The offense can only run what is called so it is up to whomever may be calling the plays (at this point it looks like a 10 year old on Xbox) to be more creative and diverse rather than running the same basic plays over and over. If i can look at the formation and guess the play call I know defensive coordinators can. As far as quarterbacks I am really not an advocate of Jefferson or Lee. I think neither has excelled when given the opportunity. I do believe that Lee should at least be given another look. What plagued him was poor decision making, which usually improves from year to year with guys that start as freshman. He has all the tools and should be given another chance to see if his decision making has improved. Jefferson does not make the mistakes Lee made but also does not move the offense with any consistancy at all. Lee moved the offense but just gave back too many of the points we scored. Some quarterbacks just never "get it" and maybe thats the case with Lee but we will never know unless he is given another shot. Not to mention it may do Jefferson some good to sit out a couple of series and see from the sidelines what he is not seeing on the field and then go back an apply what he saw back to the field. At this point it certainly would not hurt.
"Thanks, Popeye, it's all I can't stand and I can't stands no more! "
First, Georgia and Florida played vanilla defenses...no 7 or 8 or 9 man fronts. You are thinking Vandy and MSU, not GA and FLA! Second, many teams in college football run the ball without a passing threat...LSU's OL is simply not that good even against low level SEC teams like Vandy and MSU or ULL in the Sunbelt for that matter. Lee had his chance and showed nothing last year other than he is not division 1-A caliber. He simply isn't. He gained no ground in practices and most reports had Garrett ahead of Lee but Garrett was being RS. I will remind you that Lee couldn't even beat out Hatch last year...he took over as the starter due to an injury. As far as "not hurting" trying Lee, you must be joking right? Did you not see the Georgia game last year...the Alabama game last year...both lost on Lee INTs for TDs.
The problems in order of significance:
1) OL/OL coach
2) Crowton playcalling
3) Jefferson's inexperience
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:47 pm to tigerinthebayou
Pretty good first post. Welcome....
Lurkers are spooky. Stop that nonsense and post more.
Lurkers are spooky. Stop that nonsense and post more.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:47 pm to tigerinthebayou
Welcome aboard
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:51 pm to tigerinthebayou
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Nick Saban was able to turn that around with superior recruiting and elevate LSU's talent level to that of the elite of college football.
The BEST thing about your post. AND DON'T THINK FOR 1 SECOND THAT SABAN WOULD NOT HAVE THIS TEAm AT THE TOP AND LOOKING GREAT AT THE SAME TIME!!! Bottom line is that the SABAN DAYS ARE GONE!!!
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:55 pm to tigerinthebayou
very nice first post, noob....a little long, but nicely written and well reasoned out...welcome aboard...
Posted on 10/12/09 at 7:56 pm to tigerinthebayou
tigerinthebayou...welcome to the rant. Typically it's best to communicate your points in short paragraphs. Many on here have ADD, the rest of us have been drinking.
Thanks
Thanks
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:00 pm to tigerinthebayou
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Florida, Alabama, Ohio St., USC, Texas, etc can consistantly be in the title discussion no reason we shouldnt.
So, being #7 in the first BCS standings (on Oct 18th) isn't in title contention? We will still control our own destiny in the SEC title race and national title race into November, FWIW.
Not saying we'll win either (that's doubtful IMO), but if you're wanting to be in contention for championships, well...um, you/we are.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:13 pm to tigerinthebayou
And you think that USC beats teams that they should? LSU Beat the team that USC lost too this year. LSU held the number 1 offense in the country to 13 points. They lost but they were playing the defending national champions. You lost your credibility by mentioning lesser programs. Coach Carrol might have more talent to work with than Fla. or LSU, and his teams consistantly get beaten year in and year out by lesser opponents.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:22 pm to tigerinthebayou
You have captured a lot of what I'm feeling and saying to my friends/family.....good 1st post dude.....come back often.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:29 pm to tigerinthebayou
Thanks... Good read
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:32 pm to tigerinthebayou
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while the offensive line has graded out well below average you cannot consistantly block 7, 8, and 9 man fronts. Defenses know that LSU cant or wont strech the field vertically so there is no penalty for stacking the line of scrimmage. Even if they are unsuccessful at throwing deep it still must be attempted from time to time to make the defense defend it and back of the running game.
I have been saying the same thing for weeks now. I don't think JJ has any confidence throwing the ball down the field and the coaches know he just can't do it. So they don't even try to
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:36 pm to tigerinthebayou
quote:
I have been a long time lurker and just never felt the need to join the discussion but now a few things need to be said...
1. To all the people that think there is a new generation of "spoiled" LSU fans since 2003 I think that is a complete farse. Back in the late 80's and 90's and early 2000, I as well as most LSU fans were happy with 8-3, 9-2 type seasons cause at that time LSU could not match the talent of the Florida St., Miami, Florida, Nebraska's etc. of the college football world. Nick Saban was able to turn that around with superior recruiting and elevate LSU's talent level to that of the elite of college football. So now its not unrealistic or unreasonable or being "spoiled" to expect LSU to compete for championships year in and year out when their talent level is equal to or exceeds any team they play. Is it wrong to be aggravated watching such a talented team underachieve? This can only be attributed to coaching. Florida, Alabama, Ohio St., USC, Texas, etc can consistantly be in the title discussion no reason we shouldnt.
2. there is this ongoing debate as to why the offense has been offensive thus far. some think offensive line, others quarterback and others play calling. Its is a combination of all 3. while the offensive line has graded out well below average you cannot consistantly block 7, 8, and 9 man fronts. Defenses know that LSU cant or wont strech the field vertically so there is no penalty for stacking the line of scrimmage. Even if they are unsuccessful at throwing deep it still must be attempted from time to time to make the defense defend it and back of the running game. Which leads to poor play calling. The offense can only run what is called so it is up to whomever may be calling the plays (at this point it looks like a 10 year old on Xbox) to be more creative and diverse rather than running the same basic plays over and over. If i can look at the formation and guess the play call I know defensive coordinators can. As far as quarterbacks I am really not an advocate of Jefferson or Lee. I think neither has excelled when given the opportunity. I do believe that Lee should at least be given another look. What plagued him was poor decision making, which usually improves from year to year with guys that start as freshman. He has all the tools and should be given another chance to see if his decision making has improved. Jefferson does not make the mistakes Lee made but also does not move the offense with any consistancy at all. Lee moved the offense but just gave back too many of the points we scored. Some quarterbacks just never "get it" and maybe thats the case with Lee but we will never know unless he is given another shot. Not to mention it may do Jefferson some good to sit out a couple of series and see from the sidelines what he is not seeing on the field and then go back an apply what he saw back to the field. At this point it certainly would not hurt.
alright then. needed to vent and now I feel much better. Im sure ill get flamed beings as its my first post which means im an idiot and have no clue and just saw my first ever college football game this past weekend but its cool ill sit back and enjoy
Nothing to be flamed about. You are absolutely correct. This is a football program on a negative trend. In my view, Miles is not capable of maintaining an elite program. Under his direction, we are looking at 3-4 loss seasons and postseasons full of Peach, Cotton and Chik-fil-a type bowls. The only question I have is how bad will it have to get before the plug is pulled.
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