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re: For the "we're poorly coached" crowd............
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:50 am to TigerPaw15
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:50 am to TigerPaw15
I have no real issues with our coaches. Theyve been around a long time and I give them the benefit of the doubt.
I honestly believe that this LSU team simply is not as talented as many think they are. I think whatever flashes they showed in HS simply have not translated to the college game. I mean this mostly about our OL and DL.
I think JJ is not quite as ready for college football as we all thought after last years bowl game. If you think about it, his job wasnt very hard in that game to EVERYONE else around him dominating. JJ not being ready is obvious by the playcalling being so vanilla, and its obvious by the delay of game penalties. I do, however, believe that JJ will be a great QB at LSU. He's just not ready to big time yet. We are not in practice every day. The coaches know better than all of us what he is capable of.
I honestly believe that this LSU team simply is not as talented as many think they are. I think whatever flashes they showed in HS simply have not translated to the college game. I mean this mostly about our OL and DL.
I think JJ is not quite as ready for college football as we all thought after last years bowl game. If you think about it, his job wasnt very hard in that game to EVERYONE else around him dominating. JJ not being ready is obvious by the playcalling being so vanilla, and its obvious by the delay of game penalties. I do, however, believe that JJ will be a great QB at LSU. He's just not ready to big time yet. We are not in practice every day. The coaches know better than all of us what he is capable of.
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:53 am to Tiger Voodoo
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As for the play calling, again, why is that on Miles? Isn't he paying a career play caller a lot of money to do that?
For 4 consecutive weeks, the same shite has been going on, maybe the defensive has improved. As you claim, Crowton is to blame also. Then Les Miles needs to get on his arse, he needs to get pissed. Quit being such a pussy on the sidelines. Where is his intensity, he is like another Charlie Weis now, just standing on the sideline saying "ok, good game guys, we will get them next time"
If Les Miles does not like his play calling, then take over the duties of playcalling. I guarantee you that Les Miles is clueless to do this. HE NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION, and quit giving bullshite speeches to our delusional fan base to make them believe something that will not change.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:54 am to LeonPhelps
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This thread failed here. Crowton has been known for running up the middle his entire career????
Yeah, because everything else about our offense has been a fine tuned machine except for our inside running game. Damn it Les, just let The Wizard do his thing!!!
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 10:03 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:56 am to ViNSANE
You're confusing his style with his coaching ability.
He can be a good coach and not lose it.
He can be a good coach and not lose it.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:57 am to bulmoss
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What if the coaches try this in practice, but JJ has a legitimate problem with his accuracy on these routes, so in games, we see lots of passing to stationary targets.
It didn't stop them last year from having JL try them.
At some point they will have to start throwing these. The middle has been open with the way they are stacking the box and the linebackers cheating up so much.Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:58 am to deuceiswild
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I honestly believe that this LSU team simply is not as talented as many think they are. I think whatever flashes they showed in HS simply have not translated to the college game. I mean this mostly about our OL and DL.
You are likely to be flamed for this, but I tend to agree that our talent level is overestimated by most.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:59 am to Tiger Voodoo
Couldn't you ask this sort of question about nearly every coaching staff in the country? There must be very few coaches at the major college level who don't know the basics and know to work on them in practice, but surely you agree that some coaching staffs are bad, some are good, and some are great.
All coaches can coach, but some are just better than the rest. They figure out who the best players are and use them, they instill discipline, they develop raw talent, they excel in preparation, they make good decisions on gameday, etc. etc. etc. We're not there to see what they do everyday, we just see the end product of all of it.
If we see a team consistently under-perform relative to what it could be doing, we don't need to point out specifics. It's the coaching staff's job to work on the specifics in a way that the whole is as good as it can be, given talent base, facilities, fan support, etc. What separates Louie Cook at Notre Dame from the other high school coaches he faces? I don't know, but I know his team full of average white boys is consistently better than the teams they face.
All coaches can coach, but some are just better than the rest. They figure out who the best players are and use them, they instill discipline, they develop raw talent, they excel in preparation, they make good decisions on gameday, etc. etc. etc. We're not there to see what they do everyday, we just see the end product of all of it.
If we see a team consistently under-perform relative to what it could be doing, we don't need to point out specifics. It's the coaching staff's job to work on the specifics in a way that the whole is as good as it can be, given talent base, facilities, fan support, etc. What separates Louie Cook at Notre Dame from the other high school coaches he faces? I don't know, but I know his team full of average white boys is consistently better than the teams they face.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:03 am to Commando
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I honestly believe that this LSU team simply is not as talented as many think they are. I think whatever flashes they showed in HS simply have not translated to the college game. I mean this mostly about our OL and DL.
bullshite, LSU is IMO the top 5 in the nation talent. We have superior athletes.
It just goes like this.
If a coach buys a Ferrari, and doesn't know how to drive it, who's value do you think will go down?
The coach's or the Ferrari's?
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:06 am to AlxTgr
It appears, to me, that there is some kind of tension or disrespect within the player ranks. Something is wrong, the team in general is not operating together nor with a real desire to win or play their very best. Case in point was the goal line stand against M.S. They didn't want to be the first team to let Lafayette score a touchdown in Tiger Stadium and they buckled down and got the job done. They can do it, when they really want to or need to, but they don't have that drive or desire all during the game. Why, I have no idea. Maybe they don't play well with someone or they don't like a coach or ???????.
Something is keeping them from coming together as a team. They certainly have the talent but not the desire.
Something is keeping them from coming together as a team. They certainly have the talent but not the desire.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:12 am to uway
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uway
That's actually a very fair post. I agree that things seem off, and I don't know why. However, the problem I see with that analysis, is that you have to agree that even the "best" coaches don't have teams that ALWAYS look as sharp as they should from game to game or season to season. Off games happen to everyone, and some seasons more kinks need to be worked out as a team gels.
From 05-07, I thought we consistently looked like one of the best coached teams in the nation. So have they all of a sudden forgotten how to coach? I don't think so. I think this entire team is still trying to find itself. Its not that the coaches and players can't do it, its just a work in progress IMO.
As LSU fans, we aren't accustomed to starting slow lately. But look at LSU in 2001. We looked like a lost team sitting at 4-3 after that horrible loss to Ole Miss, and everything clicked the next week. In 04, we struggled throughout the year and never really looked great until the last game of the season against Arkansas. But the team held together and found ways to keep winning after the embarassment at Georgia.
Regardless, we have a much tougher schedule this year than either of those years, so the problems may be more magnified, so we all just need to keep hoping that the team finally figures out how to win with this group.
Here's hoping it happens soon.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:13 am to ViNSANE
quote:If you review his press conference, it actually sounds like nothing will change. In so many words, he said that we will continue to run the ball (up the middle) and that he thinks out line is playing well. I respect him not calling his players out publicly but I do believe he is bull-headed and will dig his heels in and continue to pound the ball into a stacked line.
HE NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION, and quit giving bullshite speeches to our delusional fan base to make them believe something that will not change.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:14 am to Big Fat
Is there any COACH out their that everybody will like!!! The best COACH in college football can't WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS every year!! PETE CARROLL :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers
:geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigersPosted on 9/30/09 at 10:16 am to ViNSANE
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If a coach buys a Ferrari, and doesn't know how to drive it, who's value do you think will go down?
The coach's or the Ferrari's?
frickING IDIOT ALERT! frickING IDIOT ALERT! frickING IDIOT ALERT!
Flamer, GTFO
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:18 am to CharlesLSU
People are putting too much stock on our lethal talent level. Parity is abound in CFB and Houston, Boise St, etc. can verify that.
BTW, how in the blue frick do any of you KNOW who is calling the plays??? I mean, damn, shut up already.
BTW, how in the blue frick do any of you KNOW who is calling the plays??? I mean, damn, shut up already.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:19 am to CharlesLSU
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People are putting too much stock on our lethal talent level. Parity is abound in CFB and Houston, Boise St, etc. can verify that.
+1000000000000000
And so can USC, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and all the other teams who have already lost to "lesser talented" teams.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Like most people on here, I think that the play calling has been atrocious, so our approach needs to change. I put most of that on Crowton.
Like most people on here, you have no clue what you are talking about. Unlike most of the people on here, Crowton isn't sitting on his couch on Saturdays, eating cheetos, and watching the game from a tv. Is it the cheese or beer that give you the ability to read the defense and think you know what plays should or shouldn't be called?
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:32 am to Jake85
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Like most people on here, you have no clue what you are talking about. Unlike most of the people on here, Crowton isn't sitting on his couch on Saturdays, eating cheetos, and watching the game from a tv. Is it the cheese or beer that give you the ability to read the defense and think you know what plays should or shouldn't be called?
Last placed offense in the SEC. Yeah, he's doing a great job.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
i think we have outstanding talent in a few skilled areas, QBs, RBs, DBs, , but the offensive and defensive lines as a whole are just not that good imo, i havent seen T-Bob get beat that bad on pass rush, maybe his run blocking skills suck, i do wish they would spread things out a bit more, maybe let shep play a whole series, that may actually light a fire, give this offense an identity and swagger that seems to be lacking. It sure as hell cant hurt, if you keep doing what ur doing, u will keep getting what ur getting, Big Changes on offense should be made imo, no doubt in my mind shep would be much better at the option than jefferson, and quit trying to run the option to the short side of the field, wtf?, hell i dunno, just venting now , i dont know that Miles will change anything, i think hes just waiting for this team to magically blossom, i sure hope thay do
Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:00 am to uway
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We're not there to see what they do everyday, we just see the end product of all of it.
While I agree with most of what you said, do you not see a corelation between the end product that we see on gameday, to what goes on in practice? These guys whether you admit it or not, spend more time breaking down film, practicing and playing football than they do in regular class. You can't convince me that these kids don't know their assignments and plays. What we are seeing on the field is a bunch of fricking mental mistakes, over rated players or lack of player developement. I can't get a firm grasp on which one it is. I have a hard time believing this is all because we have young or inexperienced players. Or a new D Coordinator. These kids IMO are suppose to be the elite of the elite players out of HS. I see absolutely no player development on either side of the ball, except for the obvious super elite players who are just so good they stick out.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 11:09 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 11:04 am to tigator
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The best COACH in college football can't WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS
I do not and will never expect a championship every year. What I do want to see, is the type of football we were playing prior to last season.
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