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My thoughts on week 2 (long)
Posted on 9/13/09 at 1:51 am
Posted on 9/13/09 at 1:51 am
Thoughts from week 2:
History is said to repeat itself. And it may be that LSU is destined to play BCS championship games in New Orleans. And you know what? I’m ok with that. If we play for a national championship every four years, I’ll be a happy man. Winning one every four years is a bonus. That being said, I think this team is about two years away from being on that level again.
These first two games of the year are eerily similar to the entire 2004 season. We’re winning, but they sure don’t seem pretty to the naked eye… First game of the 2004 season, LSU was the defending national champion (though as Carl Dubois reminded us, Saban said we weren’t defending anything), playing an Oregon State (PAC-10) team that we weren’t supposed to kill, but a team we were supposed to handle. What happened? - a very frustrating and, if we’re being honest, damn lucky win. What happened after that? - A season of very frustrating wins, and even more frustrating losses (9-10 to Auburn and 16-45 to Georgia.) Mind you, we beat Vandy that year with the great and holy Saban. But folks, we beat them 24-7. Take away a bad snap tonight, and somebody please tell me the difference in the games. ONE… freaking… point - AKA - no difference. We beat some teams that year by big margins, but we didn’t DOMINATE the way LSU fans had come to expect. We only beat Troy 24-20. I remember sitting in the stands with my dad. He said the exact same things he and many others are saying now; “We’re winning. Yes. And even though the stats and scores don’t show it, GOSH these are some FRUSTRATING wins.” We were loaded with talent that year too, with some questions at key positions.
Fast forward to now. Seems like we’ve been here before. We traveled to Washington (PAC-10) last weekend and beat a Huskies’ team that I think end of the year records will show was a pretty good team. In case you haven’t heard, they snapped their losing streak today against Idaho, 42-23. But the one word, amongst the many, to describe last week’s game is FRUSTRATING. The defense, don’t get me started. The offense, I believe the word used was, vanilla. They attributed it to the play calling. LSU didn’t want to show much. They didn’t have to break open the play book to beat Washington. LSU was saving Russell Shepard. Etc., etc., etc… Fine.
What’s the word for the offense this week? Because, I don’t think it was the play calling this time. We put up 23 points, but it could have and should have been more. My biggest concern right now is the play of the big guys up front. They don’t seem to be getting it done, and the competition is only going to get tougher the rest of the year. We’re not able to run anything up the gut right now. I understand teams are stacking the box trying to make Jefferson go deep; but I still think we should be able to get some kind of push, and we’re not. On the pass blocking side of things, I can’t remember seeing Jefferson go deep at all this year. Several times tonight, he dropped back and was scrambling almost immediately. Some of this is on Jefferson and the vision he stills needs to develop, but a lot is on the O-line. They need to do a better job. Most everything else I see brings me back to 2004. LSU fans are going to have to go through some growing pains with their quarterback this year. I know that’s what we were supposed to be doing last year, but this was only Jefferson’s 4th start. You can see it in some of his throws that he’s got some work to do. But I love this kid, and think our future is very VERY bright with him back there. Think of Jamarcus in 2004. Rough around the edges, but loads of talent, he just needs some time to develop. (and before anybody jumps on me for this, I’m not saying JJ is nearly as gifted as JR, but I do think the JJ has loads of talent that, once developed, is going to be something special)
I told friends all week I was going to withhold judgment on the defense until after the game this week. For the most part, I liked what I saw. We gave up 210 yards, as opposed to 470. Vandy converted 4 of 15 third downs instead of the 11 of 19 Washington had. And if we could WRAP UP!... those numbers would be even lower. I think The Chief is going to do just fine in Baton Rouge. People were ready to run Pelini back to the Big XII after his second game for LSU, and that turned out alright I think. Give it a few more weeks, and the defense (including the d-line) is going to be solid heading into Georgia. We just need to have a little patience as the players and coaches get used to each other.
With that said, when all is said and done this year, I could see LSU heading to Florida for New Years Day. Orlando or Tampa, I’m not picky. I see 11-2 as a legit possibility, with 2 losses to Florida. And believe me, I HATE saying that, but Florida is so damn good this year. They’re the USC of 2005, and I mean that with all the Texas implications you can think of.
Apart from Ciron Black, I don’t see the key leadership that we had in 2003 or 2007. Again, I think we’re about 2 years away from that. Russell Shepard will be a junior. His talent is already off the charts (I can’t wait to see him fully unleashed). But if what they say is true about this kid, and by all accounts it is, his leadership ability and heart is rivaled only by some guy named Tebow. Jefferson will be a senior and our latest #1 recruiting class will be juniors and redshirt sophomores. I think our offense and defense will be something to behold next year, and I could be a year off in my two year prediction. But watch out for LSU in the 2011 season, because I see it ending once again in New Orleans. And like I said before, I’m fine with that.
A few other thoughts:
*LSU fans need to lighten up. Yes, we are LSU. Yes, we have LOADS of talent. But damn, we can’t win everything every year. Florida, USC, LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, and now Bama (and 2-3 others in any given year) are all LOADED with talent. (We have to play two of those teams on that list every year.) We can’t all win it all every year. Somebody has to lose. Every fan base has the same gripes about the under-utilization of talent. That’s why we play the game. Enjoy it, and stop expecting the world just because we are LSU. If we’re going by talent levels alone, USC would have more national championships by far, than anyone else this decade. But last I checked, they only had one. Also, LSU isn’t the only team that struggles. Alabama didn’t pull away from FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL until the 4th quarter tonight. Ohio State lost and struggled against Navy. Oklahoma lost last week. Georgia lost to OK State who went and lost to Houston. It’s called parity. It’s the ups and downs of college football, and that’s what makes it so great.
*For years, the SEC west either went through Auburn or Baton Rouge. I know it’s painful to say, but things have changed. For the last two and at least for the next few years, it’s going through Baton Rouge or Tuscaloosa. Basically all that’s changed, is the Alabama location is a little more northwest.
*Ole Miss is in the picture again. But remember, they’re Ole Miss. They have these types of years every so often. They had one in 2003. Let them get it out of their system, and they’ll be back to the same old Ole Miss we know and love.
*Tennessee - ha ha!
*ULL - congrats on the win. I mean, it wasn’t Texas A&M all over again, but it wasn’t Southern either. You’re 2-0 coming into Baton Rouge. You should nice and unbearable this week. Enjoy it, I guess. It doesn't happen often
History is said to repeat itself. And it may be that LSU is destined to play BCS championship games in New Orleans. And you know what? I’m ok with that. If we play for a national championship every four years, I’ll be a happy man. Winning one every four years is a bonus. That being said, I think this team is about two years away from being on that level again.
These first two games of the year are eerily similar to the entire 2004 season. We’re winning, but they sure don’t seem pretty to the naked eye… First game of the 2004 season, LSU was the defending national champion (though as Carl Dubois reminded us, Saban said we weren’t defending anything), playing an Oregon State (PAC-10) team that we weren’t supposed to kill, but a team we were supposed to handle. What happened? - a very frustrating and, if we’re being honest, damn lucky win. What happened after that? - A season of very frustrating wins, and even more frustrating losses (9-10 to Auburn and 16-45 to Georgia.) Mind you, we beat Vandy that year with the great and holy Saban. But folks, we beat them 24-7. Take away a bad snap tonight, and somebody please tell me the difference in the games. ONE… freaking… point - AKA - no difference. We beat some teams that year by big margins, but we didn’t DOMINATE the way LSU fans had come to expect. We only beat Troy 24-20. I remember sitting in the stands with my dad. He said the exact same things he and many others are saying now; “We’re winning. Yes. And even though the stats and scores don’t show it, GOSH these are some FRUSTRATING wins.” We were loaded with talent that year too, with some questions at key positions.
Fast forward to now. Seems like we’ve been here before. We traveled to Washington (PAC-10) last weekend and beat a Huskies’ team that I think end of the year records will show was a pretty good team. In case you haven’t heard, they snapped their losing streak today against Idaho, 42-23. But the one word, amongst the many, to describe last week’s game is FRUSTRATING. The defense, don’t get me started. The offense, I believe the word used was, vanilla. They attributed it to the play calling. LSU didn’t want to show much. They didn’t have to break open the play book to beat Washington. LSU was saving Russell Shepard. Etc., etc., etc… Fine.
What’s the word for the offense this week? Because, I don’t think it was the play calling this time. We put up 23 points, but it could have and should have been more. My biggest concern right now is the play of the big guys up front. They don’t seem to be getting it done, and the competition is only going to get tougher the rest of the year. We’re not able to run anything up the gut right now. I understand teams are stacking the box trying to make Jefferson go deep; but I still think we should be able to get some kind of push, and we’re not. On the pass blocking side of things, I can’t remember seeing Jefferson go deep at all this year. Several times tonight, he dropped back and was scrambling almost immediately. Some of this is on Jefferson and the vision he stills needs to develop, but a lot is on the O-line. They need to do a better job. Most everything else I see brings me back to 2004. LSU fans are going to have to go through some growing pains with their quarterback this year. I know that’s what we were supposed to be doing last year, but this was only Jefferson’s 4th start. You can see it in some of his throws that he’s got some work to do. But I love this kid, and think our future is very VERY bright with him back there. Think of Jamarcus in 2004. Rough around the edges, but loads of talent, he just needs some time to develop. (and before anybody jumps on me for this, I’m not saying JJ is nearly as gifted as JR, but I do think the JJ has loads of talent that, once developed, is going to be something special)
I told friends all week I was going to withhold judgment on the defense until after the game this week. For the most part, I liked what I saw. We gave up 210 yards, as opposed to 470. Vandy converted 4 of 15 third downs instead of the 11 of 19 Washington had. And if we could WRAP UP!... those numbers would be even lower. I think The Chief is going to do just fine in Baton Rouge. People were ready to run Pelini back to the Big XII after his second game for LSU, and that turned out alright I think. Give it a few more weeks, and the defense (including the d-line) is going to be solid heading into Georgia. We just need to have a little patience as the players and coaches get used to each other.
With that said, when all is said and done this year, I could see LSU heading to Florida for New Years Day. Orlando or Tampa, I’m not picky. I see 11-2 as a legit possibility, with 2 losses to Florida. And believe me, I HATE saying that, but Florida is so damn good this year. They’re the USC of 2005, and I mean that with all the Texas implications you can think of.
Apart from Ciron Black, I don’t see the key leadership that we had in 2003 or 2007. Again, I think we’re about 2 years away from that. Russell Shepard will be a junior. His talent is already off the charts (I can’t wait to see him fully unleashed). But if what they say is true about this kid, and by all accounts it is, his leadership ability and heart is rivaled only by some guy named Tebow. Jefferson will be a senior and our latest #1 recruiting class will be juniors and redshirt sophomores. I think our offense and defense will be something to behold next year, and I could be a year off in my two year prediction. But watch out for LSU in the 2011 season, because I see it ending once again in New Orleans. And like I said before, I’m fine with that.
A few other thoughts:
*LSU fans need to lighten up. Yes, we are LSU. Yes, we have LOADS of talent. But damn, we can’t win everything every year. Florida, USC, LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, and now Bama (and 2-3 others in any given year) are all LOADED with talent. (We have to play two of those teams on that list every year.) We can’t all win it all every year. Somebody has to lose. Every fan base has the same gripes about the under-utilization of talent. That’s why we play the game. Enjoy it, and stop expecting the world just because we are LSU. If we’re going by talent levels alone, USC would have more national championships by far, than anyone else this decade. But last I checked, they only had one. Also, LSU isn’t the only team that struggles. Alabama didn’t pull away from FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL until the 4th quarter tonight. Ohio State lost and struggled against Navy. Oklahoma lost last week. Georgia lost to OK State who went and lost to Houston. It’s called parity. It’s the ups and downs of college football, and that’s what makes it so great.
*For years, the SEC west either went through Auburn or Baton Rouge. I know it’s painful to say, but things have changed. For the last two and at least for the next few years, it’s going through Baton Rouge or Tuscaloosa. Basically all that’s changed, is the Alabama location is a little more northwest.
*Ole Miss is in the picture again. But remember, they’re Ole Miss. They have these types of years every so often. They had one in 2003. Let them get it out of their system, and they’ll be back to the same old Ole Miss we know and love.
*Tennessee - ha ha!
*ULL - congrats on the win. I mean, it wasn’t Texas A&M all over again, but it wasn’t Southern either. You’re 2-0 coming into Baton Rouge. You should nice and unbearable this week. Enjoy it, I guess. It doesn't happen often
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 2:38 am
Posted on 9/13/09 at 1:59 am to PurpleGuy
you mean Les is leaving Christmas Day?

Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:02 am to PurpleGuy
I think you are making parallels there that are neither A) relevant or B) even close.
1) LSU came off a championship in 2003 and still had most of the defensive pieces from that NC team.
2) Defense was in its 5th year in Saban's system and we had a 5th year senior at QB.
3) The OSU game was A) at home and B) in a torrential downpour.
4) We didn't beat two BCS teams in our opening games and both were home games.
5) The SEC is down this year, including Auburn and UGA. Auburn will be improved, but not sure how much since it seems their defense now sucks.
6) Vandy came of an 7-6 season last year, whereas they came off of a 2-10 defense in 2003.
These are just a few responses to your list, but there are lots of holes in your comparisons.
1) LSU came off a championship in 2003 and still had most of the defensive pieces from that NC team.
2) Defense was in its 5th year in Saban's system and we had a 5th year senior at QB.
3) The OSU game was A) at home and B) in a torrential downpour.
4) We didn't beat two BCS teams in our opening games and both were home games.
5) The SEC is down this year, including Auburn and UGA. Auburn will be improved, but not sure how much since it seems their defense now sucks.
6) Vandy came of an 7-6 season last year, whereas they came off of a 2-10 defense in 2003.
These are just a few responses to your list, but there are lots of holes in your comparisons.
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 2:25 am
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:04 am to LoneStarTiger
quote:
It’s called parody
Yeah... it's pretty damn funny, actually.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:06 am to PurpleGuy
I agree with most of your points, but here are a few I disagree with.
LSU struggled far more against Oregon State in 2004 than Washington in 2009. Both teams are probably comparable when it comes to talent.
Vanderbilt is a better team now as well
Surprisingly, Ciron Black has actually been pretty bad so far. He has somehow regressed over the off-season, at least based on his first two games.
Otherwise, I agree with just about everything else you said. The team has improved, but there are still lots of areas that need to be worked on, especially in the vertical passing game and the division of carries in the running game. The defense was much better today, but Chavis needs more performances like tonight and less like the Washington debacle before I am convinced.
LSU struggled far more against Oregon State in 2004 than Washington in 2009. Both teams are probably comparable when it comes to talent.
Vanderbilt is a better team now as well
Surprisingly, Ciron Black has actually been pretty bad so far. He has somehow regressed over the off-season, at least based on his first two games.
Otherwise, I agree with just about everything else you said. The team has improved, but there are still lots of areas that need to be worked on, especially in the vertical passing game and the division of carries in the running game. The defense was much better today, but Chavis needs more performances like tonight and less like the Washington debacle before I am convinced.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:08 am to GeauxBob
If you want to pick holes in it, be my guest. The point was not and Xs and Os comparison. There are glaring differences, obviously. It's pointing out a few similarities and the overall feelings so far this season. Those being ones of frustration and underachievement, though the stats don't necessarily point to that. The feelings and frustrations right now are eerily similar to 2004. That was my point.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:12 am to DocBugbear
quote:
Yeah... it's pretty damn funny, actually
Touché
quote:
Ciron Black has actually been pretty bad so far.
I agree. I noticed several times tonight where the guy on JJ's heels was the man Ciron was supposed to be blocking
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 2:14 am
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:14 am to GeauxBob
quote:
Vandy came of an 8-5 season last year
Check your stats
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:22 am to PurpleGuy
There are no eerie similarities other than that we played a Pac-10 team to open the season and didn't do as well as expected.
We beat UW by 2 TDs. Yes the final difference was 8, but the team just wanted out.
Secondly, we didn't play in a monsoon, didn't need a last second TD to win, nor need OT, all the while playing at home coming off an NC.
Furthermore, we played a very good Vandy team that was 7-6 last year and won by 2 TDs whereas is 2004 only won 24-7 against a vandy team that was coming off a 2-10 season. Those are very big differences.
Secondly, we played that Vandy game near the end of the season, not in our second game.
Furthermore, we played Arkansas State in the second game, not a tough SEC opponent.
At no point in this game nor the UW game did I feel like LSU would lose, although I was frustrated with how close it was and settling for field goals.
Even after UW drove down on us twice to open the game (with the pick-6 in between), I had no doubt LSU would win. Tonight, we were the more dominant team and shot ourselves in the foot a few times that cost us points.
Overall, the two seasons can't be compared at ALL from just 2 games. PERIOD!
We beat UW by 2 TDs. Yes the final difference was 8, but the team just wanted out.
Secondly, we didn't play in a monsoon, didn't need a last second TD to win, nor need OT, all the while playing at home coming off an NC.
Furthermore, we played a very good Vandy team that was 7-6 last year and won by 2 TDs whereas is 2004 only won 24-7 against a vandy team that was coming off a 2-10 season. Those are very big differences.
Secondly, we played that Vandy game near the end of the season, not in our second game.
Furthermore, we played Arkansas State in the second game, not a tough SEC opponent.
At no point in this game nor the UW game did I feel like LSU would lose, although I was frustrated with how close it was and settling for field goals.
Even after UW drove down on us twice to open the game (with the pick-6 in between), I had no doubt LSU would win. Tonight, we were the more dominant team and shot ourselves in the foot a few times that cost us points.
Overall, the two seasons can't be compared at ALL from just 2 games. PERIOD!
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 2:23 am
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:23 am to Keys Open Doors
quote:
Keys Open Doors
Oregon State was a 7-5 team in 2003 and finished 7-5 in 2004. I do believe they had way more talent and depth than Washington has.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:24 am to LSU Slacker
Corrected it to 7-6. Also, OSU was probably slightly more talented than UW, but the game was at home, and with both offensive and defensive systems staying the same. We also had a 5th year senior at QB to start the season.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:29 am to PurpleGuy
quote:
A Repeat of 2004?
No. We did not win a national championship last year.
/thread
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:30 am to GeauxBob
5th year QB
But we had mainly sophomores at RB/WR which led to some issues. The defense was actually good in 2004 though.
This year’s team is led by seniors at RB and SR/Juniors at WR
Just a reversal of positions, where we lacked in 04 we are strong now and vice versa.
But we had mainly sophomores at RB/WR which led to some issues. The defense was actually good in 2004 though.
This year’s team is led by seniors at RB and SR/Juniors at WR
Just a reversal of positions, where we lacked in 04 we are strong now and vice versa.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:35 am to GeauxBob
quote:what is your fricking point? That 2004 was more annoying because we should have been better? You clearly missed the entire point of what PG was saying. The only point of throwing in OSU was that we started with a PAC-10 team that we didn't beat as handily as people thought we should have. And yeh, we had randall, but if you remember we had 3 different QBs to start games that year, Randall, JR, and Flynn. he's not nit-picking the details you dumbasses insist on right now. It's the overall feeling the seasons had. People were frustrated then, people are frustrated now. We can't expect to win everything all the time. I don't understand how it's hard to see this.
I had no doubt LSU would win. Tonight, we were the more dominant team and shot ourselves in the foot a few times that cost us points. And a whole bunch of other crap.....
to me he doesn't take anything away from the games we've won
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 2:37 am
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:48 am to Skooter
One, he's claiming that after two games we've won in a frustrating manner. While the first game was frustrating, we won comfortably. It didn't take OT and 3 missed XPs to win it by a point.
Two, we beat a very good Vandy team by 2 TDs even with giving up a silly safety, again winning comfortably.
We are NOT blowing teams out, true, but we aren't playing teams that we are expected to beat by 40 a la USC and Stanford nor ULL or Arkansas State.
We were favored by 17 against UW, and outside of just letting them run the clock out, we won by 15, which was reasonably close. We won by 15 and there was no doubt on the game when they scored the last time.
We were favored by 14 against VU and beat them by <gasp>, 14. It was in a rain storm and we still met the spread. We did not do the same against OSU in similar conditions in 2004.
There is no comparison unless you are comparing an entire 12 game season to 2 games, which is retarded, and only means the OP is assuming that we are in for a similar year.
Two, we beat a very good Vandy team by 2 TDs even with giving up a silly safety, again winning comfortably.
We are NOT blowing teams out, true, but we aren't playing teams that we are expected to beat by 40 a la USC and Stanford nor ULL or Arkansas State.
We were favored by 17 against UW, and outside of just letting them run the clock out, we won by 15, which was reasonably close. We won by 15 and there was no doubt on the game when they scored the last time.
We were favored by 14 against VU and beat them by <gasp>, 14. It was in a rain storm and we still met the spread. We did not do the same against OSU in similar conditions in 2004.
There is no comparison unless you are comparing an entire 12 game season to 2 games, which is retarded, and only means the OP is assuming that we are in for a similar year.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 2:50 am to LSU Slacker
LSU slacker,
Our RBs were two JRs and two sophomores. All had played lots of minutes in the previous year or two, so experience is not a big deal.
WR, I agree. Also, we were replacing some OL that year, similar to this year.
Point is that two wins against solid competition, and people are freaking out and comparing it to an ENTIRE season of games from 5 years ago.
Our RBs were two JRs and two sophomores. All had played lots of minutes in the previous year or two, so experience is not a big deal.
WR, I agree. Also, we were replacing some OL that year, similar to this year.
Point is that two wins against solid competition, and people are freaking out and comparing it to an ENTIRE season of games from 5 years ago.
Posted on 9/13/09 at 12:12 pm to GeauxBob
quote:
Point is that two wins against solid competition, and people are freaking out and comparing it to an ENTIRE season of games from 5 years ago.
I still think you missed the point. The OP, IMHO, isn't saying the sky is falling. In fact, I think he's trying to get the fan base as a whole to calm down and stop expecting the world from this team every year. The sky is not falling. Like you said, we have two good wins against respectable competition. But like it or not, our fans are frustrated with these first two wins. And that's what he's talking about. The comparison he draws is in attempt to make people see things as they are rather than as they perceive them. Things are not bad at all. We're 2-0. And in 2004, with the man everyone thinks is such a better coach, our fans were equally as frustrated even though we went 9-2. Basically, Saban isn't the god everyone still makes him out to be. Also, he makes the point to just enjoy the season as it plays out. I don't see what you're so mad about. He draws comparisons, but they're general comparisons, not nit-picky stats about records and percentages, etc.
This post was edited on 9/13/09 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 9/13/09 at 12:19 pm to PurpleGuy
Totally Agree!!
We have a pretty good team this year, but LSU is definitely not great yet. And it may not happen this year.
That does not mean that the sky is falling
We have a pretty good team this year, but LSU is definitely not great yet. And it may not happen this year.
That does not mean that the sky is falling
Posted on 9/13/09 at 1:14 pm to PurpleGuy
quote:
Ciron Black has actually been pretty bad so far.
I think people may have underestimated how important having big herm on the Oline. Ciron is a good player, but it helps when you have one of the biggest men in college football playing next to you
Posted on 9/13/09 at 1:35 pm to dx497
I agree but honestly think that both Washington and Vandy will have winning seasons this year, and that there is more parity in football this year and in the SEC WEST everyone will get beat at least twice.
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