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401k - Allocation Balance???
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:02 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:02 am
Brilliant minds - I call on you
I have been contributing to my 401k (thru Merrill Lynch) for about a year and a half and i'm right at 10k. I balanced mine 25% in 4 places. I'm 27 as well so I have lots of time for it to grow.
I really am not sure if I am allocating the right percentage to the right types of funds.
Can anyone point me in the right direction or give suggestions?
Here's what I have:
Alger Capital Appreciation Fund Class A(ACAAX) 25.96%
BlackRock Global Allocation Fund Inc. (MDLOX) 25.06%
BlackRock S & P 500 Index Fund (MASRX) 24.28%
MFS Growth A (MFEGX) 24.70%
I have been contributing to my 401k (thru Merrill Lynch) for about a year and a half and i'm right at 10k. I balanced mine 25% in 4 places. I'm 27 as well so I have lots of time for it to grow.
I really am not sure if I am allocating the right percentage to the right types of funds.
Can anyone point me in the right direction or give suggestions?
Here's what I have:
Alger Capital Appreciation Fund Class A(ACAAX) 25.96%
BlackRock Global Allocation Fund Inc. (MDLOX) 25.06%
BlackRock S & P 500 Index Fund (MASRX) 24.28%
MFS Growth A (MFEGX) 24.70%
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:41 am to The Cable Guy
I strongly suggest reading something like this,
All About Asset Allocation
which would help you construct a meaningful plan for your long term investments as I am just a voice on message board, but I have done very well investing over the past 20-years.
I would ask why you have chosen two large cap growth funds, Alger and MFS, one large cap blend in MASRX, and MDLOX. The Alger fund has almost 300% annual turnover of its holdings. I like the MDLOX fund by far over the other 3 as it includes international holdings offering diversification outside the US and it includes ~ 40% in fixed income securities. A list of available investment choices would help with suggestions and I am not a proponent of holding more than 75% equity no matter what one's age, at least it gives one an opportunity to rebalance from fixed income to equity after the equity markets have imploded again.
Small cap stocks, especially small value, and large value stocks have historically outperformed growth stocks, your current portfolio is heavily weighted to large growth stocks which would put you at a disadvantage if small and mid cap stocks outperform for an extended period of time. History may or may not repeat itself and growth could outperform in the future. I strongly believe passive investors should own the entire market, (large/mid/small and representative holdings in value/growth) then can take additional positions in higher risk/expected return classes of equities if desired.
In the past I have tried to maintain a portfolio that was roughly half the market cap of the S&P index, which required significant positions in mid and small cap equity. Of my total equity holdings roughly ~ 40% are international with a tilt to international large value and international small cap via VSS which includes emerging markets, and my domestic holdings are tilted to both large and small value. Part of the reason is due to the world market capitalization and part is for currency diversification away from the US $. Then again, I bought 600 shares of IOO back in March when it had been hammered, primarily for the 4.5%+ dividend yield.
If you don't have great choices in your 401k you might be better served setting up a Roth IRA brokerage account which would allow you buy lower cost indexed equity funds or ETF's with much better choices for fixed income or other investments.
All About Asset Allocation
which would help you construct a meaningful plan for your long term investments as I am just a voice on message board, but I have done very well investing over the past 20-years.
I would ask why you have chosen two large cap growth funds, Alger and MFS, one large cap blend in MASRX, and MDLOX. The Alger fund has almost 300% annual turnover of its holdings. I like the MDLOX fund by far over the other 3 as it includes international holdings offering diversification outside the US and it includes ~ 40% in fixed income securities. A list of available investment choices would help with suggestions and I am not a proponent of holding more than 75% equity no matter what one's age, at least it gives one an opportunity to rebalance from fixed income to equity after the equity markets have imploded again.
Small cap stocks, especially small value, and large value stocks have historically outperformed growth stocks, your current portfolio is heavily weighted to large growth stocks which would put you at a disadvantage if small and mid cap stocks outperform for an extended period of time. History may or may not repeat itself and growth could outperform in the future. I strongly believe passive investors should own the entire market, (large/mid/small and representative holdings in value/growth) then can take additional positions in higher risk/expected return classes of equities if desired.
In the past I have tried to maintain a portfolio that was roughly half the market cap of the S&P index, which required significant positions in mid and small cap equity. Of my total equity holdings roughly ~ 40% are international with a tilt to international large value and international small cap via VSS which includes emerging markets, and my domestic holdings are tilted to both large and small value. Part of the reason is due to the world market capitalization and part is for currency diversification away from the US $. Then again, I bought 600 shares of IOO back in March when it had been hammered, primarily for the 4.5%+ dividend yield.
If you don't have great choices in your 401k you might be better served setting up a Roth IRA brokerage account which would allow you buy lower cost indexed equity funds or ETF's with much better choices for fixed income or other investments.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:44 am to tirebiter
quote:
I would ask why you have chosen two large cap growth funds, Alger and MFS, one large cap blend in MASRX, and MDLOX
I had really no clue what I was picking. Unfortunately not many in my family invest. I guess i'm trying to be proactive and do it young. So I more or less picked at random. I'm going to read your answer a few times to grasp it well. Thanks for the reply though.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:06 am to The Cable Guy
I understand. Strongly recommend that book or similar, it is written for a targeted newb audience. For a very small purchase price and a little time it could really help you avoid some very costly mistakes. For example, I was helping a buddy this March who had a 401k that was worth $300k+ that shrunk to ~ $100k, and it soon became apparent that he was clueless as to what he owned and the cost of holdings. This seems to happen needlessly to many people every year, they lose large portions of their life savings, learn while you are young and have less at risk to better protect your accumulated assets in the future.
If your 401k doesn't offer good descriptions of what the investments represent go to morningstar.com and put the tickers into the quote box to obtain better information and the Instant X-Ray tool can help you better understand what your portfolio is comprised of and help you make better decisions.
Good luck and I hope you have success.
If your 401k doesn't offer good descriptions of what the investments represent go to morningstar.com and put the tickers into the quote box to obtain better information and the Instant X-Ray tool can help you better understand what your portfolio is comprised of and help you make better decisions.
Good luck and I hope you have success.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 11:11 am to The Cable Guy
Its great you are contrib. to a 401k but you don't need to put all your eggs in that basket. You need to have some safe money that is free from taxes. Look at a a roth and maybe even a Life ins. policy. It doesn't grow with a big interest but its safe and tax free. Also, look into a annuity.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:27 pm to bengalbrother
I have a term life policy through my job as well and about 40k in savings (high yield MMA)
I'm really waiting till next May when my wife graduates and gets a job to really do any investing. I was thinking of just going to a Edward Jones store.
I'm really waiting till next May when my wife graduates and gets a job to really do any investing. I was thinking of just going to a Edward Jones store.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 1:59 pm to The Cable Guy
Using a retail broker such as Edward Jones could cost you significantly on real returns over time, maybe as much as 20%-25% when factoring in loads, higher expense funds with 12b-1 fees, placing tax inefficient investments in taxable accounts, etc. Most people spend more time trying to get a deal on a vehicle purchase and blindly allow others to manage their assets.
I'll get off the soapbox with this. As with anything worth working for, but especially one's financial future, the time spent on education and learning is priceless. That doesn't mean lining a broker's pocket at your expense. With that said, some people probably would fare better with a fee only planner, but how do you know if you will be hiring a good one or not?
This board needs a PM function, many posters would probably ask more questions or desire more detailed responses but don't wish to do so publicly.
I'll get off the soapbox with this. As with anything worth working for, but especially one's financial future, the time spent on education and learning is priceless. That doesn't mean lining a broker's pocket at your expense. With that said, some people probably would fare better with a fee only planner, but how do you know if you will be hiring a good one or not?
This board needs a PM function, many posters would probably ask more questions or desire more detailed responses but don't wish to do so publicly.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:03 pm to tirebiter
quote:
many posters would probably ask more questions or desire more detailed responses but don't wish to do so publicly
In the infamous words of a man from Mobile, "Don't be scared, man."
Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:10 pm to The Cable Guy
Follow up:
I'm on my 401k Website and they have some plans such as
Moderate Portfolio
Moderate to Aggressive
Conservative to Moderate
Conservative
It's a preset configuration of the funds they offer at various percentages.
Does this look like something I should do within my own 401k? I was looking @ the Moderate Portfolio.
The MODERATE PORTFOLIO MODEL seeks the highest total investment return consistent with prudent risk. The model attempts to achieve this objective by investing:
10% in the GM Retirement Reserves Money Fd Class 1
12% in the GM Alger Capital Appreciation Fd Class A
9% in the GM AIM International Growth A
9% in the GM Goldman Sachs Mid Cap Value FundA
8% in the GM BlackRock Basic Value Fund Inc.
16% in the GM BlackRock Total Return Fund
8% in the GM BlackRock Global Allocation Fund R
9% in the GM Davis NY Venture Fund A
14% in the GM BlackRock Government Income Portfolio
5% in the GM Oppenheimer Sm- & Mid- Cap Val A
I'm on my 401k Website and they have some plans such as
Moderate Portfolio
Moderate to Aggressive
Conservative to Moderate
Conservative
It's a preset configuration of the funds they offer at various percentages.
Does this look like something I should do within my own 401k? I was looking @ the Moderate Portfolio.
The MODERATE PORTFOLIO MODEL seeks the highest total investment return consistent with prudent risk. The model attempts to achieve this objective by investing:
10% in the GM Retirement Reserves Money Fd Class 1
12% in the GM Alger Capital Appreciation Fd Class A
9% in the GM AIM International Growth A
9% in the GM Goldman Sachs Mid Cap Value FundA
8% in the GM BlackRock Basic Value Fund Inc.
16% in the GM BlackRock Total Return Fund
8% in the GM BlackRock Global Allocation Fund R
9% in the GM Davis NY Venture Fund A
14% in the GM BlackRock Government Income Portfolio
5% in the GM Oppenheimer Sm- & Mid- Cap Val A
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:53 pm to The Cable Guy
Can you post the ticker symbols for each fund, is that info available to you? Does your plan offer any equity and fixed income index funds to lower your investment costs?
Re the Moderate Portfolio,
The BR total return fund looks like a leveraged fixed income fund which could carry risk of underperforming its benchmark if it bets wrong. It would depend on what percentage of fixed income and credit quality you desire with bonds, as you would have the total return fund, govt bond fund, and supposed stable value/GIC type money fund as fixed income. The specific tickers would help, that portfolio would put you at a guestimated 45% fixed income and provide more diversified equity exposure to multiple market segments by market capitalization (large/mid/small), with some value exposure and international equity exposure. It would be much more diversified than what you currently are invested in, both from diversifying equity and adding fixed income. If you have index fund options you could easily build a lower cost version to capture most of the public market returns.
I am not an investment advisor, your mileage may vary, but I would suggest to a family member to consider the moderate portfolio compared to 90-100% equity dependent on their personal situation.
Re the Moderate Portfolio,
The BR total return fund looks like a leveraged fixed income fund which could carry risk of underperforming its benchmark if it bets wrong. It would depend on what percentage of fixed income and credit quality you desire with bonds, as you would have the total return fund, govt bond fund, and supposed stable value/GIC type money fund as fixed income. The specific tickers would help, that portfolio would put you at a guestimated 45% fixed income and provide more diversified equity exposure to multiple market segments by market capitalization (large/mid/small), with some value exposure and international equity exposure. It would be much more diversified than what you currently are invested in, both from diversifying equity and adding fixed income. If you have index fund options you could easily build a lower cost version to capture most of the public market returns.
I am not an investment advisor, your mileage may vary, but I would suggest to a family member to consider the moderate portfolio compared to 90-100% equity dependent on their personal situation.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 2:58 pm to tirebiter
Thanks, I will get those asap. Sorry bout the formatting.
Investment Fund-Investment Class-Ticker
Retirement Reserves(7dayYield:0.04%) Capital Preservation MLIKX
* Alger Capital Appreciation Fund Class A Growth ACAAX
AIM International Growth A International AIIEX
Evergreen Asset Allocation Fund A Asset Allocation EAAFX
BlackRock Basic Value Fund Inc. Value MDBAX
BlackRock Balanced Capital Fund Inc. Growth & Income MDCPX
BlackRock Total Return Fund Bond Fund MDHQX
* BlackRock Global Allocation Fund Inc. Asset Allocation MDLOX
BlackRock Large Cap Core Fund Large Cap Equity MDLRX
BlackRock Value Opportunities Fund Inc. Mid Cap Equity MDSPX
* BlackRock S & P 500 Index Fund Index MASRX
* MFS Growth A Growth MFEGX
Davis NY Venture Fund A Large Cap Equity NYVTX
BlackRock Government Income Portfolio Income CCGAX
Oppenheimer Sm- & Mid- Cap Val Fd A Small Cap Equity QVSCX
(CL)Goldman Sachs Mid Cap Value Fund A Growth GCMAX
AllianceBernstein Global Thematic Grth A Growth ALTFX
Investment Fund-Investment Class-Ticker
Retirement Reserves(7dayYield:0.04%) Capital Preservation MLIKX
* Alger Capital Appreciation Fund Class A Growth ACAAX
AIM International Growth A International AIIEX
Evergreen Asset Allocation Fund A Asset Allocation EAAFX
BlackRock Basic Value Fund Inc. Value MDBAX
BlackRock Balanced Capital Fund Inc. Growth & Income MDCPX
BlackRock Total Return Fund Bond Fund MDHQX
* BlackRock Global Allocation Fund Inc. Asset Allocation MDLOX
BlackRock Large Cap Core Fund Large Cap Equity MDLRX
BlackRock Value Opportunities Fund Inc. Mid Cap Equity MDSPX
* BlackRock S & P 500 Index Fund Index MASRX
* MFS Growth A Growth MFEGX
Davis NY Venture Fund A Large Cap Equity NYVTX
BlackRock Government Income Portfolio Income CCGAX
Oppenheimer Sm- & Mid- Cap Val Fd A Small Cap Equity QVSCX
(CL)Goldman Sachs Mid Cap Value Fund A Growth GCMAX
AllianceBernstein Global Thematic Grth A Growth ALTFX
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 8/26/09 at 4:07 pm to The Cable Guy
Go to this site and enter the tickers from the Moderate Portfolio, and replace the % holdings with 000's, ie 10% = 10000, and use the symbol CASH$ for the stable value fund. It will provide you an output of ~ 40% domestic stocks and 14% foreign stocks and 45% cash/bonds (this does not take into account the leverage in the one bond fund). It improves the mid-cap holdings but is still very light on small-cap, and the fixed income is longer duration than I would target, but still better than 90-100% equity.
LINK
Most 401k are limited in the offerings, I would consider the choices you have access to as better than average, but still bet costs are high. I am not sure I would not just go with MDLOX and open a Roth and buy the index fund versions of VSS, VB, or VXF to pick up small exposure and add TIPS or a shorter duration high credit quality bond fund down the road until you get to a position where you want more segmented holdings, ie lot more invested assets.
It is troubling to me that someone should get a low cost version of a fund in a 401k when in reality the truth is quite different:
MDLOX R shares
Annual Expensesas of 02/27/09
Total Expense Ratio 1.57%
Net Expense Ratio 1.46%
Other Expenses 0.30%
Management Fee 0.75%
12b-1 Fee 0.50%
Maybe your plan has an expense waiver on the fund, that is one thing to look into. The cost is one consideration that might turn me away from MDLOX, but it has performed very well and is well diversified for a one fund holding. Past performance does not predict future performance, but you could do a lot worse than Blackrock.
Good luck.
LINK
Most 401k are limited in the offerings, I would consider the choices you have access to as better than average, but still bet costs are high. I am not sure I would not just go with MDLOX and open a Roth and buy the index fund versions of VSS, VB, or VXF to pick up small exposure and add TIPS or a shorter duration high credit quality bond fund down the road until you get to a position where you want more segmented holdings, ie lot more invested assets.
It is troubling to me that someone should get a low cost version of a fund in a 401k when in reality the truth is quite different:
MDLOX R shares
Annual Expensesas of 02/27/09
Total Expense Ratio 1.57%
Net Expense Ratio 1.46%
Other Expenses 0.30%
Management Fee 0.75%
12b-1 Fee 0.50%
Maybe your plan has an expense waiver on the fund, that is one thing to look into. The cost is one consideration that might turn me away from MDLOX, but it has performed very well and is well diversified for a one fund holding. Past performance does not predict future performance, but you could do a lot worse than Blackrock.
Good luck.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 4:13 pm to tirebiter
I appreciate that help. Although I must say it's way over my head. Tomorrow, I will certainly look at the link and see what shows up. I also ordered that book you linked. 
Posted on 8/26/09 at 6:00 pm to The Cable Guy
Maybe I should just say don't put all your eggs in one basket, ie stocks, and know why you own specific investments and what you hope to accomplish with them.
Reading up on the history of financial markets can be illuminating as well. This stuff is like watching paint dry for most people so its easy to understand why they don't put more time into it when they could be working or having fun. That book will help you out with making more informed decisions and save you a lot of time in the long run.
Reading up on the history of financial markets can be illuminating as well. This stuff is like watching paint dry for most people so its easy to understand why they don't put more time into it when they could be working or having fun. That book will help you out with making more informed decisions and save you a lot of time in the long run.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 6:05 pm to tirebiter
quote:However else can us novices ever hope to learn?
many posters would probably ask more questions or desire more detailed responses but don't wish to do so publicly.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 6:16 pm to LSURussian
Buy more gold, WHOGAS, just buy more gold. That's all you need. 
Posted on 8/26/09 at 6:18 pm to LSURussian
How is that vacation working for ya, having some fun or is MT board more to your liking?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 6:25 pm to tirebiter
quote:Having a great time. We drove from Whistler, BC, Canada today down to Vancouver. Stopped at the Capilano Bridge, a walking suspension bridge over a river. Saw it on a TV show a few weeks ago and wanted to check it out.
How is that vacation working for ya, having some fun
Just checked into the Hyatt Regency facing the water.
Going orca viewing tomorrow. The weather is terrific today. Highs in the upper 70's.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 6:49 pm to LSURussian
Lucky bastid.
Glad you are having fun, sounds like the weather is perfect.
Glad you are having fun, sounds like the weather is perfect.
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