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re: BCS works __% of the time? 27%
Posted on 7/16/09 at 9:26 pm to Indiana Tiger
Posted on 7/16/09 at 9:26 pm to Indiana Tiger
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AU has the weakest SOS. When you have undefeated teams, the only thing the BCS computers can really use to separate the teams is SOS.
Shouldn't a superior 8 game + conference champ game schedule trump a three game OOC schedule? There has not been a year any time this decade that the Big XII was better than the SEC.
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Relative to recent standands, the SEC sucked!
Maybe so, but it was still better than the Big XII that year. Keep in mind, "experts" said the same thing about this past season and we see how that turned out.
ETA...when nobody in one of the two divisions in a conference has a winning conference record as the BXII did in 04, it pretty much says it all.
This post was edited on 7/16/09 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 7/16/09 at 10:23 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Shouldn't a superior 8 game + conference champ game schedule trump a three game OOC schedule? There has not been a year any time this decade that the Big XII was better than the SEC.
Yes, I believe that the upper half of a schedule is a better indication of overall strenght than the average, but for the most part that's not the way it's done.
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Maybe so, but it was still better than the Big XII that year. Keep in mind, "experts" said the same thing about this past season and we see how that turned out.
OOC schedules matter in these computer models. The best wins OOC by AU's SEC opponents were:
LSU over 7-4 Troy
LSU over 6-5 Oregon St.
AL over 6-5 Southern Miss
GA over 6-5 Marshall
GA over 6-5 GATech
That's it. There were no other victories over teams with winning records.
AU's SEC opponents also lost to:
MSU lost to non1A Maine
TN (SEC CG participant; AU played twice) lost to 6-5 ND
Kent lost to 4-7 Ohio
All other losses (5 more, but only 1 to a BCS team) were to teams with winning records.
In addition to AU playing the Citadel and MSU losing to Maine, two more nonIA teams were played by AU's SEC opponents: AL played W. Carolina and GA played GA Southern.
To give you a little comparison, in 2007, the entire conference only lost 1 game to a nonBCS team (ULM over AL ).
Here are the comparable numbers for OK:
The best wins OOC by OK's Big12 opponents were:
TX over 7-4 N. TX
Kan over 9-3 Toledo
Ok St over 6-5 UCLA
A&M over 6-5 Wyoming
A&M over 6-5 Clemson
Neb over 8-3 Pitt
Bay over 7-4 N. TX
Col over 7-4 N. TX
OK's Big12 opponents lost to no OOC team with a losing record. OK did not play a nonIA team and it's Big12 opponents played 3 but did not lose to one.
The point of all this is that this kind of performance is going to make OK look better than AU. AU did themselves no favor with their OOC sched, but the SEC performance was a big contributor too.
Posted on 7/17/09 at 8:52 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Shouldn't a superior 8 game + conference champ game schedule trump a three game OOC schedule? There has not been a year any time this decade that the Big XII was better than the SEC
This is an argument favored by an alarming majority of posters on the rant. The assumption is that the SEC is better than all the other conferences, and therefore there exists an inherent scheduling advantage in playing in the SEC.
But the truth is that the only thing we can know for certain about any conference is which team is the best team within that conference. While we may think that teams from one conference are better than teams from another, without actual evidence to support that conclusion, the BCS cannot make that conclusion.
2004 was such a year. Even though many thought the SEC, and therefore Auburn as its champion, were better than the champion of the Big XII, there was no evidence of that outsides the bounds of the conference.
This kind of thing can happen again if we adopt the philosophy that the SEC is tough enough, why schedule challenging OOC games? That's exactly what cost Auburn that year. Contrarily, it is was saved us in 2007 - our victory over Virginia Tech.
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