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Interesting Philosophy Mainieri uses
Posted on 3/30/09 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 3/30/09 at 7:51 pm
Listening to his radio show, he said when Ott didn't throw to 2nd to get the lead runner on the sacrifice bunt, when he obviously had him was because of his coaching philosophy. Apparently he only wants them to get the sure out at 1st and let the other runners advance. I can understand this approach, I wouldn't use it myself, but I understand it. Especially in college baseball with how many runs can be scored. It helps prevent the big inning. In the pros, I don't think his approach would work as well, but it seems to work well for him.
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Posted on 3/30/09 at 7:56 pm to josh336
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josh336
Really? I mean this is BIG TIME college baseball, right? Always, always get the lead runner, IMO. At some point you have to empower your players to make the right decisions.
Also, I think your assumption regarding the # of runs that can be scored in college baseball is false. If you run up against the "wrong" team, that philosophy will eat you alive. Just my $.02.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 7:59 pm to DEANintheYAY
I always thought its the short-stop and/or 3rd basemans job to tell the pitcher to throw it to second or first.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:01 pm to Enfuego
it's actually the catcher's job
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:01 pm to josh336
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It helps prevent the big inning
it's something that Tony Robichaux at ULL preaches a lot. Trading runs for outs and what not. It does prevent big innings most of the time.
Also, 90% of the time, you won't be able to get the lead runner on a sac bunt. It just so happened that he could have that time.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:01 pm to DEANintheYAY
You know what makes college baseball awesome? Things like this where there isn't a correct answer, just opinions. But I knew someone would come in here and try to make it right and wrong. But I guess the evidence is in your favor, LSU is giving up tons of runs and losing ballgames 
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:02 pm to DEANintheYAY
There are instances where I'd definitely try to get the lead runner if I could, like if it was the go ahead run/winning run they were trying to move over. I'd at least tell him to take a look.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:02 pm to josh336
I was at the game, so I know the exact play you are talking about. I didn't have a problem with him going to first because I can't count how many times I've seen that exact throw end up in center field. If the fielder makes a bad throw, then the floodgates are busting at the seams.
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:03 pm to josh336
Also said if we have a runner on 3rd with no outs and the infield in, we won't go on contact, but if there is 1 out, we do go on contact
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:03 pm to Enfuego
The philosophy may be tied to a percentage. Maybe Manieri has numbers that say a sacrificed runner to 2nd base does not have a significant overall chance to come across the plate, and the sure out decreases those chances even more. I heard this very discussion from the commentators for the GA Tech game on Sunday.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:04 pm to Enfuego
Its the catchers job to tell the pitcher where to throw the ball in that situation.When the bunt is hit that hard right back to the pitcher you have got to make the play at second base.I think Gibbs got pinch run for the inning before so I guess Ochinko was behind the plate.Sounds like PM is taking the heat off both of his players by claiming this is his philosophy.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:04 pm to josh336
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There are instances where I'd definitely try to get the lead runner if I could, like if it was the go ahead run/winning run they were trying to move over. I'd at least tell him to take a look.
yes, but even looking takes time. i don't mind trading outs for bases and i understand this philosophy
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:09 pm to Coon
Expected Runs Tables
From Boydsworld. Make your own decision on whether this approach is a good one.
From Boydsworld. Make your own decision on whether this approach is a good one.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:14 pm to josh336
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Listening to his radio show, he said when Ott didn't throw to 2nd to get the lead runner on the sacrifice bunt, when he obviously had him was because of his coaching philosophy. Apparently he only wants them to get the sure out at 1st and let the other runners advance. I can understand this approach, I wouldn't use it myself, but I understand it. Especially in college baseball with how many runs can be scored. It helps prevent the big inning. In the pros, I don't think his approach would work as well, but it seems to work well for him.
I think Mainieri is a very good coach, but I can't agree with that philosphy in a 1 run game in the 9th.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:16 pm to josh336
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Also said if we have a runner on 3rd with no outs and the infield in, we won't go on contact, but if there is 1 out, we do go on contact
Really? I can't agree with that either. Very strange.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:18 pm to ProjectP2294
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From Boydsworld. Make your own decision on whether this approach is a good one.
You don't have to look at a link to know that a runner on 2nd with 1 out will score more than a runner on 1st with 1 out.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:18 pm to moneyg
I understand it, his offensive philosophy is very agressive, make the other team make a play, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. People here criticize it alot, but we score alot of runs other teams wouldn't. His defensive approach is kind of the the exact opposite.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:22 pm to josh336
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I understand it, his offensive philosophy is very agressive, make the other team make a play, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. People here criticize it alot, but we score alot of runs other teams wouldn't. His defensive approach is kind of the the exact opposite.
I understand that from a general sense. But when the tying run is on base, and the play can be made at 2nd, I can't imagine the risk of making that throw would outweigh the advantage of getting the lead runner.
If it's the 4th inning, sure.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:25 pm to moneyg
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Also said if we have a runner on 3rd with no outs and the infield in, we won't go on contact, but if there is 1 out, we do go on contact
This makes sense. I like it.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 8:32 pm to moneyg
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I understand that from a general sense. But when the tying run is on base, and the play can be made at 2nd, I can't imagine the risk of making that throw would outweigh the advantage of getting the lead runner.
anywhere this play is in an online video? i'd like to see it again. it better be a 100% sure thing.
he was also explaining his theory and that a) it's a farther throw, b) the pitcher is running away from 2nd and 3) concerning ott, his fastball tails. now #3 contradicts what he said earlier i think because the caller started off with something like "i don't buy ott being a freshman and not knowing to throw to 2nd..." then PM explained this philosophy for all pitchers...
also, if it doesn't go perfect, you've got a man at 1st and 2nd (or worse) with no outs.
get the out...
edited for the spellins...
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 8:34 pm
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