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How far will GM fall short term?
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:07 am
Down 20% as of 11 am. I bet it gets in the $1-2 range by the end of the week.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:10 am to wizard of smart
Anyone going to buy it up at $2 or less? Many people have already stated that they will not fail.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:23 am to seawolf06
Even if GM somehow survives, what would the risk be that shareholders get driven to zero with more government money infusion?
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:30 am to TigerDog83
I guess I see this completely different than everyone else, I think its a step closer to eventual bk.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:32 am to wizard of smart
define short term? IMO it's a zero in the intermediate term.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:40 am to kfizzle85
This is the first time that Obama has discussed Big 3 bankruptcy as a real possible alternative, rather than as something we mus avoid at all costs.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:51 am to Cold Cous Cous
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"We cannot, we must not, and we will not let our auto industry simply vanish," Obama said from the White House.
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The administration also said a structured bankruptcy is possible.
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/30/09 at 11:54 am to Colonel Hapablap
short term for me is really short. lets say 2-3 weeks
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:14 pm to wizard of smart
Who in their right mind would buy a GM vehicle right now?
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:17 pm to Chicken
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Who in their right mind would buy a GM vehicle right now?
Just curious, but if one is looking for a used car and you like the styling..why not?
For that matter..why not a new one?
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:35 pm to dawgorama
The prospect of fewer places to get your vehicle serviced means higher cost to car owner, longer waits, reduced quality, etc.
Plus, I can't imagine that the people that are manufacturing the new cars are in great moods...I am guessing corners are getting cut, quality is suffering, etc.
Even if none of what I just typed is true, the perception has to be out there...
The fact of the matter is that there are alternatives to GM and those alternatives aren't in the news every day like GM has been...
Plus, I can't imagine that the people that are manufacturing the new cars are in great moods...I am guessing corners are getting cut, quality is suffering, etc.
Even if none of what I just typed is true, the perception has to be out there...
The fact of the matter is that there are alternatives to GM and those alternatives aren't in the news every day like GM has been...
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:38 pm to Chicken
I seriously doubt that auto repair shops are going to simply stop working on GM vehicles.
As for the quality control slipping; it's certainly possible, but I haven't heard anything about it before now. Interesting take though.
As for the quality control slipping; it's certainly possible, but I haven't heard anything about it before now. Interesting take though.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:38 pm to Cold Cous Cous
quote:You don't think that any of them will go out of business?
I seriously doubt that auto repair shops are going to simply stop working on GM vehicles.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:41 pm to Chicken
I mean, some will because it's a down economy. But I don't think it's going to be that big a deal. Right now there are like six repair shops within aabout an eight minute drive of my house. If that number drops to four, I may be slightly inconvenienced, but not really.
And acording to Obama GM warranties will be backed by the FF&C of the US government. I happen to think this is an awful policy, but there you have it.
And acording to Obama GM warranties will be backed by the FF&C of the US government. I happen to think this is an awful policy, but there you have it.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:46 pm to Chicken
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You don't think that any of them will go out of business?
Dealerships? Sure. People who can work on GM vehicles? There must be 30 in my little town.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 1:46 pm to Chicken
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Plus, I can't imagine that the people that are manufacturing the new cars are in great moods...I am guessing corners are getting cut, quality is suffering, etc.
One reason quality may not slip is that the line speed at these plants are probably as slow as possible. The workers probably now have 2 minutes to mount the screws of the "OH @^#%" handles.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 2:03 pm to Cold Cous Cous
quote:What about parts? How available will parts be for GM cars? There is talk about many auto part suppliers going out of business...
I mean, some will because it's a down economy. But I don't think it's going to be that big a deal. Right now there are like six repair shops within aabout an eight minute drive of my house. If that number drops to four, I may be slightly inconvenienced, but not really.
And will these small independent repair shops be able to honor warranties? I wouldn't know...
This post was edited on 3/30/09 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/30/09 at 2:07 pm to bzss7x
Quality at the GM plants right now should be higher than ever. They know they are in the media's eye everyday and on the verge of failing completely.
Chicken, I wouldn't put too much stock in how you hear about them everyday and not other companies. You know the media will keep reporting on them until something new and exciting comes up. It's just the hip thing right now.
Even if half of the service stations go away, there are still many GM shops out there. If they're smart, most will start to train with the imports now, but you will not see people having to drive two counties over just to get service.
My concern would be disgruntled employees sabotaging cars, but I seriously doubt that is happening with unemployment the way it is. I know some people just don't care, though.
Chicken, I wouldn't put too much stock in how you hear about them everyday and not other companies. You know the media will keep reporting on them until something new and exciting comes up. It's just the hip thing right now.
Even if half of the service stations go away, there are still many GM shops out there. If they're smart, most will start to train with the imports now, but you will not see people having to drive two counties over just to get service.
My concern would be disgruntled employees sabotaging cars, but I seriously doubt that is happening with unemployment the way it is. I know some people just don't care, though.
Posted on 3/30/09 at 2:09 pm to Chicken
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many auto part suppliers going out of business
Chicken, the import manufacturers share many of the same parts suppliers as domestic companies. If they start going out of business, you will see it affecting the entire industry, not just GM and Ford.
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