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Locke [LOST]
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:12 pm
What are the thoughts on Locke and his special powers?
He certainly led everyone from 815 to know the meaning of the island with his thirst for knowledge in the first two seasons, so I guess that could make him special. He also saw Jacob in the Cabin, but was not able to speak to him.
Yet, the main thing that makes him special is Ben, Richard, Widmore telling him he is special. And, now it is clear that the only reason they think that is because Locke appeared to them in the past and told him he was their leader from the future. That doesnt make him any more special than everyone else who was time jumping.
With his battle to be special growing up, I think he is just getting conned again. This time he kind of conned himself though.
He certainly led everyone from 815 to know the meaning of the island with his thirst for knowledge in the first two seasons, so I guess that could make him special. He also saw Jacob in the Cabin, but was not able to speak to him.
Yet, the main thing that makes him special is Ben, Richard, Widmore telling him he is special. And, now it is clear that the only reason they think that is because Locke appeared to them in the past and told him he was their leader from the future. That doesnt make him any more special than everyone else who was time jumping.
With his battle to be special growing up, I think he is just getting conned again. This time he kind of conned himself though.
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Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:21 pm to SirRohantheDefender
He did survive an 8 story fall from a window.
Ben tried to kill him twice. Once just for being able to hear Jacob.
Not sure why he killed him the second time only to insist that they bring his body back to the island. We may find out more about that later.
Obviously, Ben is scared of him, and Widmore needs him. Not that I trust either of those guys.
Ben tried to kill him twice. Once just for being able to hear Jacob.
Not sure why he killed him the second time only to insist that they bring his body back to the island. We may find out more about that later.
Obviously, Ben is scared of him, and Widmore needs him. Not that I trust either of those guys.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:29 pm to Lexo
The 2nd attempt has something to do with Eloise.
I think John is the key to the DHARMA folks winning the war on the island with the Hostiles.
(this thought just hit me as I type, so it may not be very concise or address all issues)
-Ben tried to kill Locke and threw him into the pit with the dead DHARMA folks. Symbolism?
-Ben tried to keep Locke from leaving the island by telling him HE (Ben) was supposed to turn the wheel and move the island.
-Ben killed Locke the moment he mentioned he needed to see Eloise in order to get back to the island.
Now that they have all travelled back in time (assuming Locke & Co are in the same pre-war period as Jack, Kate, etc) Locke may be about to lead the Hostiles into losing the war instead of winning it (whether intentionally or not). As Ben threw his lot in with them, he doesn't want that to happen.
I think John is the key to the DHARMA folks winning the war on the island with the Hostiles.
(this thought just hit me as I type, so it may not be very concise or address all issues)
-Ben tried to kill Locke and threw him into the pit with the dead DHARMA folks. Symbolism?
-Ben tried to keep Locke from leaving the island by telling him HE (Ben) was supposed to turn the wheel and move the island.
-Ben killed Locke the moment he mentioned he needed to see Eloise in order to get back to the island.
Now that they have all travelled back in time (assuming Locke & Co are in the same pre-war period as Jack, Kate, etc) Locke may be about to lead the Hostiles into losing the war instead of winning it (whether intentionally or not). As Ben threw his lot in with them, he doesn't want that to happen.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:31 pm to Bard
I don't think Locke is in the same time period as Jack, Kate, and the rest. The Dharma station they showed him talking to Cesar in looked like it hadn't been used in years.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:50 pm to Bard
quote:
assuming Locke & Co are in the same pre-war period as Jack, Kate, etc
they aren't
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:52 pm to SirRohantheDefender
quote:
What are the thoughts on Locke and his special powers?
He certainly led everyone from 815 to know the meaning of the island with his thirst for knowledge in the first two seasons, so I guess that could make him special. He also saw Jacob in the Cabin, but was not able to speak to him.
Yet, the main thing that makes him special is Ben, Richard, Widmore telling him he is special. And, now it is clear that the only reason they think that is because Locke appeared to them in the past and told him he was their leader from the future. That doesnt make him any more special than everyone else who was time jumping.
With his battle to be special growing up, I think he is just getting conned again. This time he kind of conned himself though.
He did also get shot and dumped into a pit of dead bodies and came out fine. His legs also miraculously healed when he came to the island.
This post was edited on 3/5/09 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/5/09 at 12:55 pm to LSUtigahs28
Locke:
1. Fell 8 stories and survived
2. Lame can walk again
3. Shot in the chest and lived
4. Survived a massive car crash
5. Was killed and rose from the dead
Nah...he's average.
1. Fell 8 stories and survived
2. Lame can walk again
3. Shot in the chest and lived
4. Survived a massive car crash
5. Was killed and rose from the dead
Nah...he's average.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:02 pm to theunknownknight
The island has special healing powers, though. Rose doesnt have cancer. Patchy could morph back to full strength within days.
I understand Locke is special in some way, but a lot of people are special on the island (Richard, Walt, Ben, Locke, Christian, Claire, etc). What makes Locke their leader, outside of him telling them he would be during his time loop?
I understand Locke is special in some way, but a lot of people are special on the island (Richard, Walt, Ben, Locke, Christian, Claire, etc). What makes Locke their leader, outside of him telling them he would be during his time loop?
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:04 pm to SirRohantheDefender
quote:
The island has special healing powers, though
I think that has a lot to do with the time travel issue.
As in, if you travel back a point when you weren't sick/paralyzed, you are "healed"
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:09 pm to Stewie Griffin
quote:
I think that has a lot to do with the time travel issue.
As in, if you travel back a point when you weren't sick/paralyzed, you are "healed"
no, you are thinking way too much into that.
the 815 passengers arrived at the island during present time. There was no time jumping until Ben turned the wheel.
Locke could walk immediately, without any time jumping. (it was still 2004). I think the island just has a healing power and they will leave it at that.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:11 pm to SirRohantheDefender
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the 815 passengers arrived at the island during present time. There was no time jumping until Ben turned the wheel.
Nah. The island is in the past when they arrived. Des was constantly resetting it to 1996 by touching the button. When they crashed Desmond didn't push the button which opened the island up to 2004 and the plane crashed. For a while (until Desmond turned the key) they kept reseting the island to 1996. Then for a few days until they left the island it was going foreward in time from 1996.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:15 pm to tylercsbn9
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Nah. The island is in the past when they arrived. Des was constantly resetting it to 1996 by touching the button. When they crashed Desmond didn't push the button which opened the island up to 2004 and the plane crashed. For a while (until Desmond turned the key) they kept reseting the island to 1996. Then for a few days until they left the island it was going foreward in time from 1996.
I've seen this before. My question is this: If you heal because your body goes back 8 years, then why aren't they all 8 years younger? Claire would not be pregnant and several of the characters would be kids or teenagers.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:17 pm to theunknownknight
Further, the purge happens in 1992 (per other Lost material outside the show).
Horace tells Locke (when his is chopping down the tree over and over) that he died 12 years ago.
Meaning: It is 2004 and in present time.
Horace tells Locke (when his is chopping down the tree over and over) that he died 12 years ago.
Meaning: It is 2004 and in present time.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:21 pm to SirRohantheDefender
quote:
What makes Locke their leader, outside of him telling them he would be during his time loop?
That is precisely what makes him their leader. Because they realize that nothing you do in the past can change the future after you have seen the future.
If it already happened, you cannot change it.
Because he is traveling through time, they KNOW he will be their leader. They just don't know how. That, in and of itself, makes him special.
However, there are other parts of the show that reveal that Locke can see through time. Recall the episode where he is a kid and he has a drawing of the smoke monster...like Walt now.
This all goes back to my Father/Son Theory. There is more than one special person, but they all have "their time".
Now is Locke's time, it just coincides with the war we are seeing.
This post was edited on 3/5/09 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:42 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Because he is traveling through time, they KNOW he will be their leader. They just don't know how. That, in and of itself, makes him special.
that only makes him special to richard, widmore, ben. But that doesnt make Locke special for the island, or in general.
They only think he is their leader because he tells them he is when they go back in time. Then, the only reason he becomes their leader is because they met him when he was "from the future" and believed what he told them.
Its like a con move by Locke, almost
Posted on 3/5/09 at 1:50 pm to SirRohantheDefender
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They only think he is their leader because he tells them he is when they go back in time. Then, the only reason he becomes their leader is because they met him when he was "from the future" and believed what he told them.
Say that is true. The next question is: What sent him into the past, to those specific locations on the island? The Island.
quote:
However, there are other parts of the show that reveal that Locke can see through time. Recall the episode where he is a kid and he has a drawing of the smoke monster...like Walt now.
Refer to this as well.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 3:29 pm to SirRohantheDefender
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They only think he is their leader because he tells them he is when they go back in time.
Or, did he tell them he was their leader because they had made him the leader in the future?
What came first, the past or the future?
Posted on 3/5/09 at 3:32 pm to BhamTigah
You are also forgetting another rather large thing.
He came back from the DEAD!
He came back from the DEAD!
Posted on 3/5/09 at 4:24 pm to TigerMyth36
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He came back from the DEAD!
So Locke is Aslan.
This is starting to make sense now.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 4:35 pm to Foot
And I do not think Ben had any idea John would come back to life.
He said I will miss you, not see ya soon, when he killed Locke.
He said I will miss you, not see ya soon, when he killed Locke.
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