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The Lost Cause lied to you. Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:37 pm
An interesting paper I stumbled upon giving an overview of "Southern Unionism", or Southerners who openly defied the Confederacy, fighting a guerilla war during the Civil War against an "Oppressive and illegitimate" government.
Southern Unionism
It's in pdf format and is 14 pages, but a good read.
Some excerpts:
There is so much more.
the general feeling among the non-slaveholding whites was "It's the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
For all those who proclaim that the South should have continued the war through guerilla warfare, they were already dealing with guerilla warfare...from their own citizens.
Southern Unionism
It's in pdf format and is 14 pages, but a good read.
Some excerpts:
quote:
In 1863, as battles raged on distant fields, a newspaper editor in the central Georgia town of Milledgeville was more concerned about the war at home. In an essay discussing the many ways in which Southerners were working against the Confederacy, the editor wrote: “We are fighting each other harder than we ever fought the enemy.” Samuel Knight agreed. After touring southwest Georgia in the late fall and winter of 1863-64, he wrote to Governor Joe Brown of “strong Union feeling” in that part of the state. Knight concluded that Southerners were “as bitterly divided against each other as the Southern and Northern people ever has been.”[1
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From its beginnings the Confederacy suffered from a rising tide of intense domestic hostility, not only among Southern blacks but increasingly among Southern whites. Ironically, it was a hostility brought on largely by those most responsible for the Confederacy’s creation. Planters excused themselves from the draft in various ways, then grew far too much cotton and tobacco, and not nearly enough food. Soldiers went hungry, as did their families back home. Women defied Confederate authorities by staging food riots from Richmond, Virginia, to Galveston, Texas. Soldiers deserted by the tens of thousands, and draft evasion became commonplace. By 1864, the draft law was practically impossible to enforce and two-thirds of the Confederate army was absent with or without leave. Many deserters and draft dodgers formed armed bands that controlled vast areas of the Southern countryside.
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Wartime disaffection among Southerners had solid roots in the early secession crisis. Most white Southerners, three-fourths of whom owned no slaves, made it clear in the winter 1860-61 elections for state convention delegates that they opposed immediate secession. Nevertheless, state conventions across the South, all of them dominated by slaveholders, ultimately ignored majority will and took their states out of the Union.
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A staunch South Carolina secessionist admitted the same. “But,” he asked, “whoever waited for the common people when a great move was to be made—we must make the move and force them to follow.”
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In the spring of 1862, a southwest Georgia man wrote to Governor Joe Brown about planters growing too much cotton, begging him to “stop those internal enemies of the country, for they will whip us sooner than all Lincolndom combined could do it.” Thousands of planters and merchants defied the Confederacy’s cotton export policy and smuggled it out by the ton. Most states passed laws limiting production of non-food items, but enforcement was lax. With prices on the rise, cotton producers and dealers were getting richer than ever. Some bragged openly that the longer the war went on the more money they made.[6]
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The inevitable result of cotton and tobacco over-production was a severe food shortage that hit soldiers’ families especially hard. With their husbands and fathers at the front and impressment officers confiscating what little food they had, it was difficult for soldiers’ wives to provide for themselves and their children. Planters had promised to keep soldiers’ families fed, but they never grew enough food to meet the need. Much of what food they did produce was sold to speculators, who hoarded it or priced it far beyond the reach of most ordinary people.
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In an open letter to the Savannah Morning News, one enraged Georgian was sure where the blame lay: “The crime is with the planters . . . as a class, they have yielded their patriotism, if they ever had any, to covetousness . . . for the sake of money, they are pursuing a course to destroy or demoralize our army—to starve out the other class dependent on them for provisions.”
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Desertion became so serious by the summer of 1863 that Jefferson Davis begged absentees to return. If only they would, he insisted, the Confederacy could match Union armies man for man. But they did not return.
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Others joined with draft dodgers and other anti-Confederates to form guerrilla bands, often called “tory” or “layout” gangs. They attacked government supply trains, burned bridges, raided local plantations, and harassed impressment agents and conscript officers.
There is so much more.
the general feeling among the non-slaveholding whites was "It's the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
For all those who proclaim that the South should have continued the war through guerilla warfare, they were already dealing with guerilla warfare...from their own citizens.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:40 pm to magildachunks
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the general feeling among the non-slaveholding whites was "It's the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
Aren't they all?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:42 pm to magildachunks
quote:You are correct, they were in Italy doing Italian things at the time. That's always made we wonder how it could have been my fault?
Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:43 pm to magildachunks
Friend, my GGG Grandfather John Q Thomas fought as a part of the 18th Alabama Infantry. He fought at Shiloh, Nashville and was eventually wounded at Chickamauga, dying in a Confederate hospital in 1865.
I’m pretty sure he was pro Confederacy to the core.
I’m pretty sure he was pro Confederacy to the core.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:50 pm to magildachunks
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The Lost Cause lied to you. Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
Speak for yourself. My great-great grandfather was wounded at Chickamauga fighting with the 28th Alabama Infantry. I got my middle name from him.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:54 pm to magildachunks
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the general feeling among the non-slaveholding whites was "It's the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
Why don't presidents fight the war? They always send the poor
Posted on 4/12/26 at 6:55 pm to magildachunks
Supposedly only 1 in 4 Southern households had slaves. And even then it was only 1 or 2 in most cases (at one point Grant owned a couple)
Read up on the Republic of Jones (County in MS)
An entire section of a state (VA) seceded from the seceders. Curiously E TN/KY & W NC chose not to. There were few blacks in this region as there were no plantation crops in the mountains.
Read up on the Republic of Jones (County in MS)
An entire section of a state (VA) seceded from the seceders. Curiously E TN/KY & W NC chose not to. There were few blacks in this region as there were no plantation crops in the mountains.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:03 pm to magildachunks
What a troll piece.
States met in convention and chose to secede. The issue was debated and voted upon by the people. Not elites or military juntas declaring for the masses.
All farmers felt the weight of tariffs. The 40 bales speech made it clear how bad the Yankees were fricking over the South, plantations and yeoman alike.
Over 75% of Southern men fought in the war. To make out like the South was fighting both the Union and some massive underground guerilla warfare for 4 years is an exaggeration.
The piece likes to mention desertion from the confederate army, most of these were men returning to starving families due to the Union blockades. When the choice is Country or family, good men do what is necessary.
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Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
States met in convention and chose to secede. The issue was debated and voted upon by the people. Not elites or military juntas declaring for the masses.
All farmers felt the weight of tariffs. The 40 bales speech made it clear how bad the Yankees were fricking over the South, plantations and yeoman alike.
Over 75% of Southern men fought in the war. To make out like the South was fighting both the Union and some massive underground guerilla warfare for 4 years is an exaggeration.
The piece likes to mention desertion from the confederate army, most of these were men returning to starving families due to the Union blockades. When the choice is Country or family, good men do what is necessary.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:13 pm to magildachunks
That can all be true and I can also still hate yankees.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:19 pm to UltimaParadox
quote:Anti-war Day on the OTquote:Why don't presidents fight the war? They always send the poor
the general feeling among the non-slaveholding whites was "It's the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:20 pm to Cuz413
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The piece likes to mention desertion from the confederate army, most of these were men returning to starving families due to the Union blockades.
Not according to the paper in the OP.
The starvation was due to the wealthy southern planters choosing to grow cash crops over food for their own benefits.
And the author backs his claim up with historical evidence.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:20 pm to magildachunks
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The Lost Cause lied to you. Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
There were definitely pockets of dissenters, especially in the mountains of Tennessee and Georgia, but you’re painting some wide brush strokes with some low numbers.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:21 pm to magildachunks
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the Rich man's war, but the poor man's fight."
Tale as old as time
It’s happening as we speak
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:29 pm to magildachunks
It was always odd to me that places with strong Union support, like East Tennessee, barely remembered that part of their history.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:30 pm to Cuz413
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States met in convention and chose to secede. The issue was debated and voted upon by the people. Not elites or military juntas declaring for the masses.
Apparently only Texas held a popular vote
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:31 pm to geauxbrown
quote:Stones River?
Nashville
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:32 pm to magildachunks
n/m
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:44 pm to Kafka
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And even then it was only 1 or 2 in most cases (at one point Grant owned a couple)
I've only heard of one, which his wife owned as he was gifted to her by her father as a wedding present.
Grant paid him a wage for his work, which annoyed the shite out of his FIL. Eventually Grant saved enough money to buy him from his wife (using the proper methods to placate his FIL) and then freed him.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:46 pm to magildachunks
The Revolutionary War.
1/3 loyalists
1/3 patriots
1/3 didnt give a shite
There was a significant pro-German and pro-neutrality contingent in WWI.
Mexican War, Spanish-American War, WWII and the first few years of the GWOT were the only times there was overwhelming support for the USA.
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 8:54 pm
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