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History will say that the Iran war was fought over the free flow of International waters.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:32 am
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:32 am
It has recently been revealed that Iran layed mines in the straight of Hormuz to force ships to sail closer to their territory in order to charge tolls to use the straight. The only problem with this is now that Iran is in negotiations with the US and the international powers to open the straight. Iran doesn't have the capabilities to remove the mines. This gives the US a unique negotiation tool to allow the US and allies Navies taking control of the Straight of Hormuz as a sign of good faith from Iran for peace. It was negligent of Iran to place mines that they can't locate or remove.
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:34 am to Neutral Underground
So the war was about mines in international waters that were placed there after the war began?
Interesting take.
And are we okay calling this a war? I thought it wasn't a war.
Interesting take.
And are we okay calling this a war? I thought it wasn't a war.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:55 am to Murph4HOF
It’s not a war, it’s a special 3-day combat operation that we’ll definitely have wrapped up in the next 6-12 months. Not to mention, this war really started 47 years ago when Iran laid those mines over the last month, didn’t you hear? This, of course, happened after they killed something on the order of 50 to 500,000,000 protesters earlier this year. We must save the Iranian people by expending enormous sums on standoff munitions to destroy vital C&C targets such as an elementary school and civilian infrastructure.
Get your facts straight, buddy.
Get your facts straight, buddy.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:05 am to Murph4HOF
I am talking about the totality of the war/conflict with Iran. Yes, you are correct that it wasn't the reason for it to begin. You get multiple different answers for why it started depending on who you ask:
"Israel duped Trump into believing it would be a short conflict."
"We did it to liberate the Persians."
"Trump did it change the subject from the Epstein Files."
"Trump wanted to disarm Iran from having Nuclear capabilities."
"Trump is playing a longterm game and dismantling BRIC nations (Ultimately China) ability to threaten American Hegemony by controlling the flow of Petroleum."
Iran doesn't have control of the straight of Hormuz. They layed a bunch of mines in the middle of international waters out of desperation. Iran doesn't know where those mines are located or has the ability to remove them. Iran will have to allow the US and it's allies to now take control of the straight in order to remove the mines. Without doing so theatens theirs and the world's economy.
"Israel duped Trump into believing it would be a short conflict."
"We did it to liberate the Persians."
"Trump did it change the subject from the Epstein Files."
"Trump wanted to disarm Iran from having Nuclear capabilities."
"Trump is playing a longterm game and dismantling BRIC nations (Ultimately China) ability to threaten American Hegemony by controlling the flow of Petroleum."
Iran doesn't have control of the straight of Hormuz. They layed a bunch of mines in the middle of international waters out of desperation. Iran doesn't know where those mines are located or has the ability to remove them. Iran will have to allow the US and it's allies to now take control of the straight in order to remove the mines. Without doing so theatens theirs and the world's economy.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:32 am to Neutral Underground
I kind of understand the point you're trying to make, but an operational decision (with strategic impacts) made by Iran after the war began isn't really what this war was/is about.
Egypt closed the Suez Canal for 8 years after Israel attacked them in 1967. No one says the Six Day War or Yom Kippur War were about shipping routes, although the hurt that caused world markets was a big deal.
Now if Indonesia or someone wanted to shut down the Strait of Malacca out of the blue, then yes, a war to open up that shipping lane would be about the free flow of international shipping.
Egypt closed the Suez Canal for 8 years after Israel attacked them in 1967. No one says the Six Day War or Yom Kippur War were about shipping routes, although the hurt that caused world markets was a big deal.
Now if Indonesia or someone wanted to shut down the Strait of Malacca out of the blue, then yes, a war to open up that shipping lane would be about the free flow of international shipping.
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:54 am to Neutral Underground
History still says we went to Iraq to find WMDs. History says whatever the powers that be says it will say.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 5:05 am to Neutral Underground
Nuclear bombs
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:09 am to Neutral Underground
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History will say that the Iran war was fought over the free flow of International waters.
Except there was free flow before the war.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:07 pm to Neutral Underground
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History will say that the Iran war was fought over the free flow of International waters.
Well, history will be dumb if that is the case.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
In a hundred years the war will be about Hezbollah. Israel has been fighting Hezbollah since 1982.
Israel has been sending bombs to Lebanon and Iran off and on for decades. The only state sponsored war was the 12 day war with Iran in June 2025 and the current war.
This war should be about taking out nuclear sites and against Hezbollah. Taking out Hezbollah in Iran and Lebanon should have been the priority. It was a mistake taking on the Iranian government.
Trump can get a win if he switches the agenda to taking out Hezbollah. In early March the Lebanese government outlawed all Hezbollah training facilities and bases then demanded them to surrender all of their weapons. If we can get the Iranian government to stand down while Israel, Lebanon, and the US take out Hezbollah this could be the win Trump needs.
Israel has been sending bombs to Lebanon and Iran off and on for decades. The only state sponsored war was the 12 day war with Iran in June 2025 and the current war.
This war should be about taking out nuclear sites and against Hezbollah. Taking out Hezbollah in Iran and Lebanon should have been the priority. It was a mistake taking on the Iranian government.
Trump can get a win if he switches the agenda to taking out Hezbollah. In early March the Lebanese government outlawed all Hezbollah training facilities and bases then demanded them to surrender all of their weapons. If we can get the Iranian government to stand down while Israel, Lebanon, and the US take out Hezbollah this could be the win Trump needs.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:43 pm to Neutral Underground
If it was about mines and tolls why not say that…..would’ve been an easy fricking sell.
(Hint: it wasn’t about that)
(Hint: it wasn’t about that)
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:52 pm to MizzouBS
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In early March the Lebanese government outlawed all Hezbollah training facilities and bases then demanded them to surrender all of their weapons. If we can get the Iranian government to stand down while Israel, Lebanon, and the US take out Hezbollah this could be the win Trump needs.
You would have to take the entirety of Lebanon. The Lebanese government is feckless and unable to control Hezbollah. One of two things would happen: either the Lebanese government openly solicits help to check Hezbollah, in which case a full fledged civil war will start, or ramping up of direct action against Hezbollah across the country drives their popularity and support from the Lebanese population, resulting in the overthrow of the Lebanese government.
That said, the best route is probably a continuation of Israel's campaign against Hezbollah. That campaign has already spread beyond Hezbollah's traditional stronghold in the south. The hope has to be that Israel can effectively neuter Hezbollah's ability to carry out terror attacks, and the continued US/Israeli campaign against Iran will cut off Iranian support for Hezbollah by stopping the flow of funding and missiles.
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