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Who here truly identifies as a Zionist?

Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:56 am
Posted by UncleLogger
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:56 am
Are you America first?

More importantly, tell us why it’s in our best interests? Is it solely religious based?

Please tell us where American interests lie, based on your worldview? Does the security of our country take precedence over that of Israel?

I respect your opinion, but I don’t understand it.

We should be able to talk about these things.

That’s like 4 or 5 questions so it should be pretty easy to answer. Let’s talk.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:57 am to
Define "Zionist"?

Posted by aubie101
Russia
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:57 am to
No


Israel first! Than the USA MAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by UncleLogger
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:59 am to
quote:

Define "Zionist"?


Oxford: A political movement that was originally begun to establish an independent state for Jewish people, and now supports the development and protection of the state of Israel.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:00 am to
Use your own words.
Posted by UncleLogger
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:06 am to
quote:

Use your own words.


You ask for a definition: I give you the Oxford dictionary definition.

If you have a different working definition and would rather answer the questions based on that definition, please go ahead.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:08 am to
quote:

You ask for a definition: I give you the Oxford dictionary definition.


Exactly.

You have no real clue.
Posted by UncleLogger
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:09 am to
Britannica: Zionism [is a] Jewish nationalist movement with the goal of the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews.

Merriam-Webster: An international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in the historical region of Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel.

Oxford: A political movement that was originally begun to establish an independent state for Jewish people, and now supports the development and protection of the state of Israel.


Apples to apples
Posted by UncleLogger
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:15 am to
quote:

Exactly. You have no real clue.


Fair enough. I’m telling you I don’t understand. Can you provide some clarity about the working definition as it applies to you, and then answer some of my questions?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:26 am to
Nobody does, propaganda has turned any anti terrorist claims into “Zionist” or “Israel first” nonsense. “Trump was Putin’s puppet” first term was the lefts big play to neutralize him and this term “he’s Bibi’s puppet”. It’s the same fricking playbook and people fall for if. 4-5 years ago this would be laughed at by 99.9% of this board, now it has legs. “The podcast election” did have a consequence and boy did the left set the hook deep when they found the right bait.
Posted by UncleLogger
Freetown
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:37 am to
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Nobody does, propaganda has turned any anti terrorist claims into “Zionist” or “Israel first” nonsense. “Trump was Putin’s puppet” first term was the lefts big play to neutralize him and this term “he’s Bibi’s puppet”. It’s the same fricking playbook and people fall for if. 4-5 years ago this would be laughed at by 99.9% of this board, now it has legs. “The podcast election” did have a consequence and boy did the left set the hook deep when they found the right bait.



Hmm. Ok.. I’ll put you in the “not a Zionist” category based on your reply.

My questions remain for anyone who feels like they meet the criteria.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27877 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:39 am to
I mean, they run a better society than the vast majority of Muslim countries.

But, their presence is destabilizing. Not that that region has seen lots of stability.

Our backing Israel has painted a target on our back, no doubt.

If the Jews could hold that land on their own, more power to them. If not, oh well. Wouldn't be the first civilization unable to protect themselves.

I once believed the "we need them in the middle east" argument. But not sure how they're helping us do anything. We can't even reliably keep the Strait open even with their help.

Is Iran the Iran today if Israel was never a nation, or ceased being a nation decades ago?
Posted by Rebel
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:48 am to
does believing that Jews should be allowed to have one country in a sea of 57 Islamic countries make me a Zionist?

Posted by UncleLogger
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Member since Jan 2008
3275 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:11 am to
quote:

does believing that Jews should be allowed to have one country in a sea of 57 Islamic countries make me a Zionist?


Yes.. Strictly speaking.

So do you want to answer some of the questions I asked?



Posted by Rebel
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:26 am to
quote:

So do you want to answer some of the questions I asked?



I think peace in the middle east is of great benefit to us. i don't really care about jews or muslims to be honest. But of the two, only 1 group wants to kill me. The Islamic Regime is a problem. Maybe if we had today's technology in 1980, Reagan would have taken them out of play.

What has you so troubled?
Posted by UncleLogger
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:02 am to
quote:

I think peace in the middle east is of great benefit to us. i don't really care about jews or muslims to be honest. But of the two, only 1 group wants to kill me. The Islamic Regime is a problem. Maybe if we had today's technology in 1980, Reagan would have taken them out of play. What has you so troubled
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I want peace in the ME as well. Zionism has brought anything but peace to the region. Look at all the displaced migrants in Europe and the U.S. for example. If they always hated us on a religious basis, then we certainly fricked up by destabilizing the region. I don’t buy the “they all want to kill us” mentality. It’s just not the case. We somehow became fast friends with Japan and Germany after WW2. Japan was the “Iran” of that day. It’s all propaganda driven. We can’t even fix our own immigration system that allows third worlders to takeover our own cities but we have all this energy to focus on Iran and Syria and Libya and soon to be Turkey.

We could be helping ourselves but we are bullying these piss ant Middle East countries on behalf of Israel instead:

Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
8182 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:28 am to
quote:

Who here truly identifies as a Zionist?

Under your definition, yes, I support Israel and would identify as a Zionist. But I don’t rank that support any higher than our support for other key allies, such as Taiwan, Japan or any other longstanding alliance.

quote:

Are you America first?

Yes, without question.

quote:

More importantly, tell us why it’s in our best interests? Is it solely religious based?

Militarily

Israel serves as a valuable real-world proving ground for advanced military technologies. The Iron Dome missile defense system is a prime example: it has been extensively battle-tested against rockets and drones, providing critical data and lessons that benefit our defense systems and capabilities.

Intelligence

Israel maintains one of the most sophisticated intelligence networks in the region. It regularly shares high-value intelligence with us, helping to counter shared threats in terrorism and regional instability.

Culturally

Israel is the most Westernized society in the Middle East. This makes it easier for us to relate to Israeli perspectives, thought processes, and motivations compared to many other countries in the region.

Alliance

They have been our allies in the region since their inception, In an era when the we are facing challenges in maintaining partnerships and influence around the world, abandoning a long-standing ally in such a strategically important area would seem counterproductive.

Religious
If there’s a religious reason, it largely ties into preferring a Jewish democratic state over another Islamist-leaning regime as an a partner in the region.

quote:

Please tell us where American interests lie, based on your worldview? Does the security of our country take precedence over that of Israel?

American interests center on secure oil supplies, the petrodollar, and fighting Islamist terrorism.

Yes, US security always comes first. Support for Israel is strategic: it delivers intelligence, battle-tested military tech, and a reliable partner against shared threats in a tough region.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
8182 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:40 am to
quote:

I want peace in the ME as well. Zionism has brought anything but peace to the region. Look at all the displaced migrants in Europe and the U.S. for example. If they always hated us on a religious basis, then we certainly fricked up by destabilizing the region. I don’t buy the “they all want to kill us” mentality. It’s just not the case. We somehow became fast friends with Japan and Germany after WW2. Japan was the “Iran” of that day. It’s all propaganda driven. We can’t even fix our own immigration system that allows third worlders to takeover our own cities but we have all this energy to focus on Iran and Syria and Libya and soon to be Turkey. We could be helping ourselves but we are bullying these piss ant Middle East countries on behalf of Israel instead:

I want peace in the Middle East too, but the region’s instability and threats to us predated Israel’s founding. America’s first overseas wars were the Barbary Wars against North African Muslim pirate states that raided US ships, enslaved crews, and demanded tribute on religious grounds, long before modern Israel existed. Islam, especially in that region has always been aggressive and contrary to our interests. You sound like if we do something somewhere else we can’t do something at home, we are more than capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, the domestic issues are unrelated, those are just a matter of will.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11225 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:52 am to
99% of the people here aren't zionists. It's just the latest smear parroted by feeble minds.

It's honestly no different than the left calling everyone racist. So congrats on reaching their level.

It's really quite amazing how much the TDS right mimics the left. Hopefully one day you "woke right" folk will realize it.

It is kind of amusing to watch one of you start a dumb thread like this and the others act as if it's some brilliant take that hasn't been said on here a thousand times.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
19842 posts
Posted on 4/11/26 at 5:06 am to
quote:

Yes.. Strictly speaking. So do you w


Stupid. Muzzies are the youngest religion and have claim to literally nothing.

Their entire religion is built on lies.
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