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10 Years Ago, Zack Snyder Released The Movie That Changed DC Forever
Posted on 3/26/26 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/26/26 at 11:49 am
I really like MOS so I was very excited for this film. While I do like some stuff in it, the action scenes are genuinely great, the pacing and storytelling was all over the place. But I do think Ben Affleck was an awesome Batman, and it's a bummer he never made his solo Batman film. How did you feel about this film when it was released?
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It has been 10 years since Zack Snyder did something no one had ever attempted before in the world of DC Comics movies. Snyder got his break in Hollywood doing geek-friendly properties. After knocking it out of the park with his Dawn of the Dead remake, he then tackled comic book properties with 300 and Watchmen.
This led Warner Bros. to offer Zack Snyder a deal he couldn't refuse. After Christopher Nolan brought DC back to popularity with his Dark Knight trilogy, Warner Bros. offered Snyder the chance to direct Man of Steel, bringing back Superman in a movie for the first time in almost three decades. That led to Snyder taking control of the DCEU.
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Zack Snyder then got the chance to do something that had never been done before. Snyder got the rights to make a DC shared universe, starting with Man of Steel. Instead of introducing Batman and leading to their big team-up, Snyder jumped straight to the fight in Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice.
For the first time in the movie world, Batman and Superman showed up in the same movie, but they fought each other. It ended up genuinely controversial because Batman started killing people (which he also did in Burton's Batman movies), and the film had a big task ahead of it by telling two different stories in one film.
The biggest problem with Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice is that Zack Snyder tried to do way too much in one movie. First up, it tried to tell the Batman vs. Superman storyline and presented Batman as someone who was not only willing to kill villains, but he also set out to murder Superman, just in case.
The idea that Batman wanted to kill Superman just because he was an alien on Earth who might someday pose a threat was ridiculous. This was the case where Batman wanted to kill a superhero who had only done good to help society because he was an alien, and he didn't trust him to remain good.
That was bad, but what hurt the movie even worse was that it tried to cram too much into one film. This movie took Batman vs. Superman and then crammed in the Death of Superman storyline with Doomsday at the end. It also threw in Lex Luthor and introduced Wonder Woman. This was all in one single movie.
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With fervor (and profits!) growing for Marvel Studios on the back of its interconnected storytelling, DC Entertainment wanted in on the cinematic universe game. It turned Zack Snyder’s tepidly successful 2013 movie Man of Steel ($670 million worldwide gross, 56% on Rotten Tomatoes) into a jumping-off point for its own cinematic universe by quickly following it up with Snyder’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice in 2016 instead of a solo Superman sequel, which would have been the standard move for the pre-cinematic-universe days. While BvS performed well at the box office, the movie failed creatively: It failed its titular heroes, failed to be the bedrock of the DC Extended Universe, and failed to elevate DC to Marvel’s level on the silver screen. Marvel built up to The Avengers with films establishing four of the Avengers as potential heroic leads. DC tried to take a shortcut and microwave a cinematic universe into existence with Batman v Superman, and the result was an overcooked, overstuffed mess.
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Posted on 3/26/26 at 11:58 am to RLDSC FAN
I loved Man of Steel. Had no issues with how dark it was because I wasn’t really a fan of Superman or DC in general.
I was looking forward to BvS and it completely let me down. Stopping a fight because your moms had the same name is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Hack Snyder needs to go back to copying graphic novels frame by frame.
I was looking forward to BvS and it completely let me down. Stopping a fight because your moms had the same name is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Hack Snyder needs to go back to copying graphic novels frame by frame.
This post was edited on 3/26/26 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 3/26/26 at 12:05 pm to Esquire
Yeah, that was silly. And Doomsday was lame. Take that stuff out and it's a better film.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 12:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Warner Bros. offered Snyder the chance to direct Man of Steel, bringing back Superman in a movie for the first time in almost three decades
Superman Returns was just a decade earlier.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 1:11 pm to RLDSC FAN
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bringing back Superman in a movie for the first time in almost three decades.
This writer is even more of a hack than Snyder
Superman Returns was only 7 years prior
Posted on 3/26/26 at 2:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
If DC wasnt playing catch up to Marvel and took its time, the Snyderverse would have turned out just fine.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 2:23 pm to udtiger
I agree. The ownership at the time completely panicked with MOS box office. That number wasn't even that bad.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 2:58 pm to RLDSC FAN
It's funny how the reactions to two movies changed here over the years.
When Winter Soldier first came out the general consensus was "solid effort, fun movie with yet another underwhelming Marvel villain". Now? It's the comics Citizen Kane.
BvS came out it was "it's okay. Story has issues but once again, Snyder delivers on the action and visuals big time". Yet, it seemed like that wasn't good enough for the Marvel fanboys and Superman experts. It seemed like the Snyderverse had to be completely crushed. We had the self-styled cinephiles on here writing doctorate theses ripping the plot apart. "The bullet in the book/journal is just ridiculous!" (I pointed out the horseshite lifting fingerprints off a bullet shot into concrete in the Nolanverse, "That's different") "Batman doesn't ever kill! Zach doesn't understand the character!" (I link the video showing Keaton killing platoons of bad guys in '89. No rebuttal, just DVs
) The CGI and visuals even came under attack. (I mention the Hanna-Barbera level CGI in the background of the final fight in Winter Soldier and again, crickets).
The reality is BvS is a good solid comics movie with some of the best action scenes in superhero movies. Winter Soldier is a good solid comics movie with the moral compass of the Marvelverse. One isn't near as bad as some of the experts on here would like you to believe; the other isn't the paragon of superhero film achievement, either.
When Winter Soldier first came out the general consensus was "solid effort, fun movie with yet another underwhelming Marvel villain". Now? It's the comics Citizen Kane.
BvS came out it was "it's okay. Story has issues but once again, Snyder delivers on the action and visuals big time". Yet, it seemed like that wasn't good enough for the Marvel fanboys and Superman experts. It seemed like the Snyderverse had to be completely crushed. We had the self-styled cinephiles on here writing doctorate theses ripping the plot apart. "The bullet in the book/journal is just ridiculous!" (I pointed out the horseshite lifting fingerprints off a bullet shot into concrete in the Nolanverse, "That's different") "Batman doesn't ever kill! Zach doesn't understand the character!" (I link the video showing Keaton killing platoons of bad guys in '89. No rebuttal, just DVs
) The CGI and visuals even came under attack. (I mention the Hanna-Barbera level CGI in the background of the final fight in Winter Soldier and again, crickets). The reality is BvS is a good solid comics movie with some of the best action scenes in superhero movies. Winter Soldier is a good solid comics movie with the moral compass of the Marvelverse. One isn't near as bad as some of the experts on here would like you to believe; the other isn't the paragon of superhero film achievement, either.
This post was edited on 3/26/26 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/26/26 at 3:42 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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"The bullet in the book/journal is just ridiculous!" (I pointed out the horseshite lifting fingerprints off a bullet shot into concrete in the Nolanverse, "That's different") "Batman doesn't ever kill! Zach doesn't understand the character!" (I point link the video showing Keating killing platoons of bad guys in '89. No rebuttal, just DVs ?) The CGI and visuals even came under attack. (I mention the Hanna-Barbera level CGI in the background of the final fight in Winter Soldier and again, crickets).
All fair points. The complaining about all the destruction in MOS was also ridiculous. It's Gods fighting amongst us. Yes, buildings are going to get destroyed. I never understood that complaint lol
Posted on 3/26/26 at 3:44 pm to udtiger
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If DC wasnt playing catch up to Marvel and took its time, the Snyderverse would have turned out just fine.
I’m not sure it would have turned out just fine but the chances would have been better.
It certainly plays out like the Honest Trailers joke that whole thing was scripted out by a WB exec snorting Scarface levels of coke.
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'ALRIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT? F*CK IT! YOU WANT TO LAUNCH A UNIVERSE?! HOW'S THIS?! SUPERMAN DOESN'T WANT TO SAVE PEOPLE, BATMAN'S A MURDERER, WONDER WOMAN'S AN INCEL, AND HARLEY QUINN TAKES THREE MOVIES TO BREAK UP WITH JOKER WHO LOOKS LIKE MY COKE DEALER! 'YOU ALL HAPPY NOW, YOU MOTHERF*CKERS?! YOU'RE ALL FIRED! I HATE MY JOB! I'M GONNA MAKE SPONGEBOB SPINOFFS FOR PARAMOUNT+! F*CK! *sniffing sounds* OHHH!'"
This post was edited on 3/26/26 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 3/26/26 at 3:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
I stand by Watchmen being a great film.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 3:58 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I agree. The ownership at the time completely panicked with MOS box office. That number wasn't even that bad.
WB has no one to blame except themselves. The directive to expand the MOS sequel to bring in the Justice League was profit driven. The directive to cut the theatrical version was also very badly done as the Ultimate Edition was a much more solid film in terms of story and flow. The debacle of Joss Whedon's Justice League was entirely the studio's doing.
If you take the DC arc of MOS, BvS Ultimate Edition, Wonder Woman, Zack Snyder's Justice League, and Aquaman it's a decent offering that was an alternative to Marvel that I found satisfying even though I have issues with a few of Snyder's decisions.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 4:47 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I stand by Watchmen being a great film.
It's easily my fav superhero movie.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 4:51 pm to ATrillionaire
Yeah, Watchmen is great. Especially the ultimate cut
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