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Fedor-Lindland.......did Lindland file a complaint?

Posted on 2/10/09 at 7:58 pm
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 7:58 pm
just saw the replay on CST.

Lindland smokes Fedor 2 seconds into the fight and opens a nasty cut over fedor's eye. Fedor looks stunned and Lindland has control of Fedor going for the takedown. It would be a great wrestler on top of Fedor, who was bleeding badly. Instead, Fedor uses the ropes (illegal) to block 2 or 3 attempts, then uses them to bounce off and reverse the takedown. The ref told him to let go about 6 times, but no penalty.

After hearing the crying from the Penn camp, does anyone remember if Lindland filed a complaint? the fights have a lot of parellels:

Penn and Lindland were both much smaller than their opponent
Both were sizeable underdogs

But, unlike Penn, Lindland showed up in shape and had control of the fight until the infraction. Also, he did this in russia....which is impressive.


Lindland has a much more legit beef than Penn.
Posted by coullion
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:13 pm to
Can you post a link to the video? I'd like to see that.
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:16 pm to
that first punch cut Fedor wide open:

LINK
Posted by coullion
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:19 pm to
Yeah, grabbing the ropes or cage is a dishonest tactic, but most of the time, fighters don't even get in trouble for it. Thanks, I'm gonna show this to my fedor nuthugger friend.
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:20 pm to
it really gave Fedor a huge advantage. he might have been trouble if Lindland was on top b/c of the cut.
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:51 pm to
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Instead, Fedor uses the ropes (illegal) to block 2 or 3 attempts, then uses them to bounce off and reverse the takedown.


man, i just watched the video about 4 times and fedor definitely didn't use the ropes in his take down. he didn't get any bounce, he just flipped lindland. he definitely used them to avoid being taken down though and i get what you're going for, just disagree on that minor point.
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:53 pm to
perhaps, it's tough....looks to me like he shifted balance with the ropes to reverse, but it's close.

But yeah, he definitely used them to stop several takedown attempts. His eye was bothering him, he reached for it right away.
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:58 pm to
i just looked again. Fedor was being carried away from the ropes until he reached out and used the ropes to help stop momentum and establish a pivot point with his foot.

just my opinion.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 12:03 am to
quote:

i just looked again. Fedor was being carried away from the ropes until he reached out and used the ropes to help stop momentum and establish a pivot point with his foot.



no doubt he used the ropes to take Lindland down, IMHO, FWIW, TWSS, etc, etc
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 3:36 am to
Fedor fighting in the motherland..with Putin sitting ringside..home cooking..SEC Style!
Posted by lsucoonass
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:36 am to
i wouldnt say dishonest, is it illegal yes. but its more of an automated response kinda evolutionary in a way.
Posted by SmackDaniels
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:40 am to
quote:

but its more of an automated response kinda evolutionary in a way.


Agreed. Doesn't make it right, but I agree with your point.

Speedy, was that guy being sarcastic? I hope.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:41 am to
quote:

did Lindland file a complaint


It was in Russia. Do you think it would have mattered?
Posted by The Ramp
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Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:44 am to
Yeah, that was very illegal. The ref was trying to warn him. But after him not obeying so many times, the ref should have taken a point away. Does it really matter though? It was so early in the fight that Fedor would have won anyway. I know it's impossible to tell but how many times has Fedor got in trouble and pulled out a victory? That's my $.02
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:48 am to
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It was so early in the fight that Fedor would have won anyway.


You really can't say that because Fedor was bleeding badly.

Two situations could/should have happened:

-the ref takes away a point and seperates them. Lindland doesn't end up on his back. Who knows what happens next.

or

-Fedor doesn't use the ropes, Lindland takes him down and ends up on top of Fedor. An olympic silver medalist wrestler on top of a bleeding Fedor, he could have finished him.
Posted by The Ramp
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Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:54 am to
quote:

You really can't say that because Fedor was bleeding badly.


No, I can't but he continues to fight with it not affecting (or effecting, i get those mixed up) him.

quote:

Fedor doesn't use the ropes, Lindland takes him down and ends up on top of Fedor. An olympic silver medalist wrestler on top of a bleeding Fedor, he could have finished him.


Fedor did quite well with Coleman on him. I dont' think the bleeding takes that much effect (or affect, ugh) on him.

and no, I'm not a Fedor nut-hugger. I think they should have seperated them and took a point away.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 8:58 am to
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I dont' think the bleeding takes that much effect (or affect, ugh) on him


It's not that the bleeding affects(I think) him. It's that the ringside doctor could have stopped the fight. Of course in Russian with I assume a Russian Doctor Fedor would probably have to lose pints of blood before stoppage.

quote:

I think they should have seperated them and took a point away.


:kige;
Posted by The Ramp
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 9:15 am to
quote:

It's not that the bleeding affects(I think) him. It's that the ringside doctor could have stopped the fight. Of course in Russian with I assume a Russian Doctor Fedor would probably have to lose pints of blood before stoppage.


Yeah, I can't see doctor stoppage in Russia.

Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/11/09 at 9:16 am to
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Fedor was being carried away from the ropes until he reached out and used the ropes to help stop momentum


I don't know having an arm draped over the ropes seemed more of a natural position than an exploit... It's hard to see how much if any he was grabbing vs his hand just dragging over the ropes.

That's a great leap of faith to call that a planned strategy.
Posted by The Ramp
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2004
12627 posts
Posted on 2/11/09 at 9:28 am to
I wouldn't call it a "planned strategy" and (like one of the other posters said) it was more instinctive than anything. but it was obvious it stopped the takedown and gave him the reverse.

that being said, Lindland loves to complain and take his beef to court hence his moniker "The Law."
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