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re: regarding our qb situation
Posted on 2/10/09 at 10:00 am to billfish21
Posted on 2/10/09 at 10:00 am to billfish21
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this team had much better talent than 8 - 5... should have gone 10 - 3... losses to georgia, florida and alabama
Did you watch the same Bama and UGA games I did. We actually outplayed UGA, but the interceptions gave up at least 17. As for Bama, 4 picks, and the game still is decided on one of those pics in overtime.
Heck, Ole Miss and Florida were the only 2 games I really thought we didn't show up for. Everyone else should have been beaten easily.
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Posted on 2/10/09 at 10:01 am to RobbBobb
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Based on Miles knowing Hatch would be injured twice, and the need to redshirt JJ wasnt a possibility? Because Miles has a crystal ball? Exactly which earlier games should JJ have gotten playing time in?
The Ap St & N. Tx games, where the QB that had already redshirted was getting all the available snaps, because he needed them?
Maybe the Aub, Moo St, and SC games where the team clawed its way to victory, and your suddenly new #1 QB was needing his own reps?
Perhaps Fla or Ga or Bama games, against #1 ranked teams. Yeah thats the time to throw the new guy in, in the SEC.
Which leaves only the 8th game of the year (Tulane) as the first realistic time to put in a true freshman at QB. Is that enough playing time to decide on JJ being "the man?"
Miles played the cards he was dealt, including the RP card. Lee was disappointing, but LSU got ZERO help from its much touted defense
I respect this opinion. It's defensible, certainly from the standpoint of abject criticism of Miles, which I haven't engaged in.
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so Lee nor JJ was going to succeed last year.
This is where we disagree. I don't see how you can make the leap to say J.J. would have performed as poorly. That's all. But, it's speculation.
Here's to next year.
Posted on 2/10/09 at 10:18 am to LA007
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I don't see how you can make the leap to say J.J. would have performed as poorly.
From his performances in the 10th, 11th, and 12th games of the yr.
He played very well on the last day in Dec (only in the 1st half- with a stepped up defense), which was 40 days after taking over in the Ole Miss game. Lee had 50 days between taking over in the Aub game until he played his best game against Troy.
So I think the learning curve is not much different, timewise. Only that Lee had the pressure of a natl champ on his shoulders. Whereas, those expectations were long gone when JJ took over, giving him a smoother entry into the position.
Posted on 2/10/09 at 11:56 am to Spankum
I like JL as a second QB where he doesn't have all that stress, he may develop.
Posted on 2/10/09 at 12:07 pm to Teacher
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J. Lee will not start another LSU game unless JJ gets injured and then it might be RS.
Exactly.
+1
I don't give a shite about all the
over J. Lee's potential. Potential's not shite unless you can turn it into progress. He's done. Let's move on.
"Jordan Jefferson! Come on down. You're the next contestant on LSU winning a NC!!!"
Posted on 2/10/09 at 10:38 pm to RobbBobb
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Only that Lee had the pressure of a natl champ on his shoulders. Whereas, those expectations were long gone when JJ took over, giving him a smoother entry into the position.
Look. We disagree. I don't think that makes me stupid. You're making the best argument that you can for a diehard Lee supporter, whatever your reasons for doing so are.
I don't bash the guy, and I don't second quess the coaches' decisions on it. I'm just saying that it looks like J.J. is the guy going forward based upon his play.
If you don't respect that opinion.... there's no point in taking up further space on the board. If you have to have the last word, go ahead, but I'm done.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 1:03 pm to Les Cajones
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That's awfully optimistic considering the year that Lee had. He singlehandedly gave away two games, imo
I suppose Kurt Warner single-handedly gave away the Super Bowl with the pick-6 he threw. And it went for 100 yds. no less!
Posted on 2/11/09 at 1:43 pm to MiketheTiger69
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if he in fact has even lost it
Him not playing one single down in the Chick-fil-a bowl that lsu was winning 38-3 gave me that impression that Lee had lost the job.
This post was edited on 2/11/09 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 2/11/09 at 2:55 pm to ready4something
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Him not playing one single down in the Chick-fil-a bowl that lsu was winning 38-3 gave me that impression that Lee had lost the job.
I think JL was available for the bowl game right? There wouldve been a fan revolt if Miles had started JL over JJ. NOBODY wanted to see JL play anymore last year. But it's been a few months since he's thrown an INT, so people are starting to forget just how poorly JL played all year and at the end of the year.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 3:11 pm to Newgene
quote:14. And the defense gave up the other 38. When the defense gives up 38 points, the odds are WAAAAY against any freshman QB pulling out a win. The fact that Lee had us in position late in the game before making another critical mistake is actually a positive indicator to him, almost enough to equal the negative of his critical mistakes in that game.
Did you watch the same Bama and UGA games I did. We actually outplayed UGA, but the interceptions gave up at least 17
quote:Absolutely true, the only loss in which the defense did not totally fail. And with even bad QB play (as opposed to horrible), we win that game, imo. However, at that point in the season, I'm not convinced that Jefferson would necessarily have been any better getting thrown in for the first time.
As for Bama, 4 picks, and the game still is decided on one of those pics in overtime.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 3:13 pm to ready4something
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Him not playing one single down in the Chick-fil-a bowl that lsu was winning 38-3 gave me that impression that Lee had lost the job.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 3:15 pm to King Joey
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I'm not convinced that Jefferson would necessarily have been any better getting thrown in for the first time.
I don't think he would have thrown 4 INT's though.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 3:25 pm to LA007
quote:It's not that much of a leap. Going into the bowl game, 6 games into his career, Jefferson had a passer rating (106.6) more than 10 points below Lee's rating at season's end. And it was more than 25 points less than Lee's 131.8 rating after his first 6 games. And Jefferson's six opponents at that point were North Texas, Mississippi State, Tulane, Troy, Ole Miss and Arkansas. Lee's 1st 6 opponents included Auburn, Florida and South Carolina.
I don't see how you can make the leap to say J.J. would have performed as poorly. That's all.
Jefferson never did anything to significantly separate his performance from Lee's until the bowl game. There is no reason to suspect that his performance in earlier games -- when he'd had even less time in practice to prepare -- would have been any better.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 3:31 pm to TheDoc
quote:Maybe not. He might also not have thrown for a TD. Or he might not have completed as many passes. Or, more to the point, he may not have thrown 3 TDs vs. Georgia, or completed 2/3 of his passes against Mississippi State, or completed over 60% of his passes against South Carolina. Looking back and picking Lee's worst game as the point where Jefferson should have started is unreasonable; no one could know which game was going to be Lee's worst beforehand. And it's not all about INTs. There's a lot that goes into QB play, and INTs are only a huge portion of it, not the whole story. And, again, we don't even know how many INTs he would have thrown if he'd had to face Bama's defense.
I don't think he would have thrown 4 INT's though
Jefferson is the leader in the clubhouse, imo. But no one knows what another year will bring for either of them. In February of '04, very few people I know of were predicting Ally Broussard to be our #1 RB that season. And there was good reason for that. But you never know.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 4:59 pm to King Joey
only problem with comparing JJ play to JL is you not comparing apples to apples.
FLA, Uga, Bama, Usc, Au, mIss state is not the same as a shitty ark team last game of a season that was OVER when kickoff started , and bowl game against ga tech.
Pressure has a way of affecting young players, JJ has not faced it yet., some of you guys are WAY TOO quick to crown and crucify some of these players.
FLA, Uga, Bama, Usc, Au, mIss state is not the same as a shitty ark team last game of a season that was OVER when kickoff started , and bowl game against ga tech.
Pressure has a way of affecting young players, JJ has not faced it yet., some of you guys are WAY TOO quick to crown and crucify some of these players.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 5:22 pm to hotrod
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Pressure has a way of affecting young players, JJ has not faced it yet., some of you guys are WAY TOO quick to crown and crucify some of these players.
If the coaching staff hadn't benched lafell last season after his case of the drops then byrd never would have emerged in our championship run. Same for Lee sad to say is that the only way JJ sees the field this last season was the injury to Lee. I don't think Les had it in him to pull Lee regardless of how ineffecetive he was.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 5:31 pm to ready4something
I think with off season to prepare and a new approach JL will become a more accurate thrower. Hell he is staying at LSU and fighting it out shows me he has some mental toughness. I think if he cuts down on mental lapses which can happen with experience/age he can reclaim the starting spot.
I could see Jefferson leaving before JL honestly, especially if he struggles and LSU fans start to treat him like they did JL and he eventually loses his starting spot.
Do I want it to happen? nah I want LSU to go undefeated but I could see it happening.
I could see Jefferson leaving before JL honestly, especially if he struggles and LSU fans start to treat him like they did JL and he eventually loses his starting spot.
Do I want it to happen? nah I want LSU to go undefeated but I could see it happening.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 7:12 pm to tduecen
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I could see Jefferson leaving before JL honestly
the hits keep coming
Posted on 2/11/09 at 7:25 pm to lsutothetop
if you dont agree jefferson should have played sooner then yall are dumb as a brick. hatch was done and jl was sucking sec dick pretty hard. not saying jefferson should have started sooner over jl just seen more snaps then he did behind jl.
Posted on 2/11/09 at 7:38 pm to dgnx6
Only problem with your post is that it doesnt matter what we think.... what you are really doing is calling LM and GC dumb as bricks.... maybe you should apply for their jobs.
Apparently if you makes statements such as this
then you are basically suggesting you know better than the guys getting paid to make these decisions.
Apparently if you makes statements such as this
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if you dont agree jefferson should have played sooner then yall are dumb as a brick. hatch was done and jl was sucking sec dick pretty hard. not saying jefferson should have started sooner over jl just seen more snaps then he did behind jl.
then you are basically suggesting you know better than the guys getting paid to make these decisions.
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