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Democrats have implicitly agreed that Obamacare is broke

Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:14 pm
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9031 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:14 pm
Their crowning legislative achievement of the last 50 years is on life support because it requires literally a trillion dollars a year in subsidies
Posted by SoFlaGuy
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Apr 2020
2338 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:18 pm to
And, it fricked everyone else as well. Nothing they do ever works.
Posted by Play_Neck
Member since Dec 2014
2180 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:30 pm to
That's wild (and correct). I fact checked it because I was shocked at the cost. (I thought we were spending like 4.5T this year (on all government spending), but per the treasury, we are spending 7T, 1.8 of it on social security. I think the 4-5T I was thinking of is revenue from taxes, fees, etc.)

Treas. Dept. Link (Spending Categories about half way down)

I think a big part of the issue--for gov't and private insurance--is the cost of healthcare in the US is often 50-100% more than other developed countries. See (just for quick reference) Peterson Foundation Study. And unfortunately, we are no healthier for it.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 6:31 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
10841 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:34 pm to
The problem with Obamacare was it provided a temporary bandaid to alleviate a real problem with healthcare insurance as a model for affordable access. The insurance model does not really work because insurance is a gamble by the two parties involved but the insurer is always going to lose on the balance because very few people live without at least one major, expensive health episode. However, since they're going to lose the gamble but still need to make a profit, they have to degrade service or deny high-risk customers.

If we didn't have Obamacare, the insurance industry would have eventually started turning down policy writing for the state-assigned risk pools. People with pre-existing conditions that insurers didn't want to cover would start going without insurance. With that acceleration of the buckling of US medical care, we would have to reckon with the essential problems with how medicine works in this country.

As a person who would like a more "progressive" (in the this system isn't working and isn't ever going to without a radical change way) reckoning on this front, I think letting the GOP actually gut all provisions of Obamacare would be preferable. It would lead to more creative thinking on the problem. It would suck shite for some sick people in the interim unfortunately but that broad social pressure may uncork some possibilities that a tax money bandaid won't.
Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
347 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:09 am to
Where did you find that it costs a trillion per year? Everything i find says it's less than a tenth of that.
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
20547 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 12:30 am to
I was told it would lower costs.

Magically.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59227 posts
Posted on 10/30/25 at 6:57 am to
Then why are they continuing to block the reopening of the government?
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