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SCOTUS will hear challenge to Hawaii's gun law backed by Trump administration
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:01 am
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:01 am
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The Supreme Court will decide whether states can prohibit a person from bringing a handgun onto someone else’s property without the property owner’s express consent.
The court agreed on Oct. 3 to hear a challenge to gun restrictions in Hawaii as the justices continue to define what meets the court’s recently created constitutional test for gun regulations.
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While property owners were always able to restrict weapons, Hawaii’s law makes the default that handguns aren’t permitted on private property unless a property owner gives express permission. Previously, the standard legal presumption in the state and others was that lawful weapons could be brought onto private property unless the armed person was expressly told not to have them.
Three gun owners in Hawaii and the Hawaii Firearms Coalition challenged the law, saying it eviscerates the right to carry arms for self-defense that the Supreme Court affirmed in 2022.
The Trump administration backed an appeal by the Hawaii firearms advocates.
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The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Hawaii’s rule passes that test.
But the New York-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said that a similar restriction in New York does not.
Both states also ban firearms in “sensitive places.” In Hawaii, that includes beaches and parks, and restaurants and bars that serve alcohol, a prohibition that is also being challenged.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:08 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Private property owners should have that right
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:11 am to jmarto1
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Private property owners should have that right
Hawaii's law creates a presumption that the property owner doesn't want a gun on their property.
The prior law created a presumption the property owner was OK with the gun on their property and required them to expressly state they didn't consent to it.
Each law is giving the property owner the right to not consent, just the new law presumes no consent.
I'm curious about the arguments. Each law is "making" a decision for the property owner before they actually do make one, so I couldn't tell you which one provides more "liberty" as one says. The administration is favoring the 2nd amendment right more heavily in their presumption standard vs the property owner.
This post was edited on 10/3/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:12 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
That's how it works in Louisiana.
Now, I have friends that I have asked them enough they're like "you can bring it and you don't have to ask" but for others, I still ask.
Businesses are another story. If they dont have that sticker prominently displayed by the door, I am packing (and may anyway).
Now, I have friends that I have asked them enough they're like "you can bring it and you don't have to ask" but for others, I still ask.
Businesses are another story. If they dont have that sticker prominently displayed by the door, I am packing (and may anyway).
This post was edited on 10/3/25 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:13 am to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:how it should be IMO
The prior law created a presumption the property owner was OK with the gun on their property and required them to expressly state they didn't consent to it.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:13 am to jmarto1
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Private property owners should have that right
They do have that right. That's not what's in question.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:28 am to Teddy Ruxpin
The property owner needs to be made aware so theu can respond
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:29 am to udtiger
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Businesses are another story. If they dont have that sticker prominently displayed by the door, I am packing (and may anyway).
Ive had issues with this in my business. I end up dealing with an arrogant prick that is armed
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:31 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Hawaii's law creates a presumption that the property owner doesn't want a gun on their property.
The prior law created a presumption the property owner was OK with the gun on their property and required them to expressly state they didn't consent to it.
Each law is giving the property owner the right to not consent, just the new law presumes no consent.
How about the law make no presumption one way or another?
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:31 am to jmarto1
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The property owner needs to be made aware so theu can respond
Ya my non-legal hat thinks the "nice thing to do" is make the property owner aware so they can make a decision, if the presumption is consent.
It seems kind of rude to assume I'm cool with it and make me make wild blanket denials every time someone shows up in the off chance they have a gun. I'm not exactly sure that's the situation as I didn't click through and read all of it, and I wouldn't trust the article to get it right anyway.
This post was edited on 10/3/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:33 am to Bard
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How about the law make no presumption one way or another
As Rush once so eloquently stated:
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:33 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Precisely. Ive dealt with it many times and it isnt fun. 90% of the time someone is an arse about it. Hardly anyone is respectful of private property rights. Hell, they think the business is a public place. I am left wondering if they actually know laws pertaining to firearms when we are failing high school civics and basic courtesy
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:34 am to jmarto1
If its a business where shot could pop off (mall, sketch restaurant, etc), I'll ignore the sign. Otherwise, I abide.
Mind you, I carry concealed. Open carry that ignore the sign are fricking idiots.
Mind you, I carry concealed. Open carry that ignore the sign are fricking idiots.
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:37 am to udtiger
A few months ago I ahd an idiot open carrying and chugging a beer. Fortunately his friends called him out as well
This post was edited on 10/3/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/3/25 at 10:45 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
i was in the backwoods on the big island near volcano park a couple weeks back (dont ask) and some hawaii-baws came out of the hedges w/ ARs on slings.
we were looking at some land for sale at the time and i quickly realized these are the Men Who Want To Be Left Alone
we were looking at some land for sale at the time and i quickly realized these are the Men Who Want To Be Left Alone
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