- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Judge has dismissed two murder charges related to acts of terrorism for Luigi Mangione
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:03 pm
quote:
A judge dismissed two murder charges related to acts of terrorism as Luigi Mangione, the accused killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made his first Manhattan courtroom appearance in five months on Tuesday.
Judge Gregory Carro tossed out the most severe charge, first-degree murder, accusing Mangione of murder as a crime of terrorism.
The judge said the evidence presented to the grand jury was insufficient to support the terrorism charge.
“While the defendant was clearly expressing an animus toward UHC, and the health care industry generally, it does not follow that his goal was to ‘intimidate and coerce a civilian population,’ and indeed, there was no evidence presented of such a goal,” the judge wrote in a decision issued on Tuesday morning.
Prosecutors argued Mangione’s actions intimidated or coerced employees of UnitedHealthcare, but Carro rejected the argument those fears are enough to justify a terrorism charge.
Carro also tossed a second-degree murder charge, related to killing as an act of terrorism.
The rest of the indictment remains, with the judge refusing to dismiss another second-degree murder charge, to which the accused killer has pleaded not guilty.
LINK
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
Terrorism does seem borderline here, to me. He'll still go away forever, deservedly so.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
I bet a deep dive into this judge's background would show sympathy to the defendant's motivations and actions.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
Free Luigi
Time to fire up the T-shirt machine.
Time to fire up the T-shirt machine.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:10 pm to CatfishJohn
It certainly seems to me terrorism laws should be broad enough to include violence to coerce/threaten a specific class in relation to a political/other cause (ie, those running healthcare companies).
ETA:
Having looked at it, it makes more sense. Post-9/11 terror laws in NY allow for a first degree murder charge, otherwise Mangione wouldn't qualify to my knowledge. So I'm guessing that's why the terrorism statute was used.
ETA:
Having looked at it, it makes more sense. Post-9/11 terror laws in NY allow for a first degree murder charge, otherwise Mangione wouldn't qualify to my knowledge. So I'm guessing that's why the terrorism statute was used.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
I may side with the Judge on the legal argument but, if I were the Prosecutor, I would have cited all of the "supporters" of Mangione who are cheering the killing and calling for more. Those people want to effect national change based on violence and it could be argued he is part of that movement. If his actions are based on that movement then that is terrorism.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:16 pm to RLDSC FAN
Release him in the desert with this guy


Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:16 pm to jbgleason
those charges would likely be difficult to prove in court
better off removing them to avoid any sort of technicality the defense could latch onto to impact other charges
better off removing them to avoid any sort of technicality the defense could latch onto to impact other charges
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
He’s facing a variety of federal charges, as well as state charges in New York and Pennsylvania.
It’s not a surprise that some of the state charges get dropped as he proceeds towards trial in three different courts.
It’s not a surprise that some of the state charges get dropped as he proceeds towards trial in three different courts.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:43 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:
Prosecutors argued Mangione’s actions intimidated or coerced employees of UnitedHealthcare
It must not have coerced them much. My UHC premium just increased $70 a week.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Seems the prosecuters overcharged the defendent. They do this all the time.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:57 pm to udtiger
quote:
I bet a deep dive into this judge's background would show sympathy to the defendant's motivations and actions.
Just because someone follows the letter of the law doesnt make them a sympathizer, you clown.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:12 pm to BigGreenTiger
quote:
quote:
I bet a deep dive into this judge's background would show sympathy to the defendant's motivations and actions.
Just because someone follows the letter of the law doesnt make them a sympathizer, you clown
Checks definition of terrorism
quote:
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Violence - check
Intimidation - check
Unlawful - check
Civilian - check
Pursuit of political aims - check
quote:
In diary writings contained in that notebook, Mangione vents about his frustrations with the health insurance industry and his intent to carry out an attack. The entries also shed light on Mangione’s focus on the court of public opinion and how he intended to gain widespread support through the alleged killing.
Luigi Mangione’s diary reveals the motive for killing United Healthcare’s CEO, prosecutors say | CNN LINK
Hmmmmmm...
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
There is a long line of people that I will mourn for before I shed a tear for the UNH CEO.
UNH has the highest Claim Denial Rate of all insurance companies.
Do you have any idea how many people died because UNH denied coverage so they could line their pockets ?
Or the hell they put families thru while Doctors & family members sat on the phone for hours trying to get approval for treatment ?
And that their CEO championed these policies so he could drive the stock price and line his pockets ?
I feel horrible for Charlie Kirk & that girl in Charlotte.
The greedy UNH CEO, not so much.
UNH has the highest Claim Denial Rate of all insurance companies.
Do you have any idea how many people died because UNH denied coverage so they could line their pockets ?
Or the hell they put families thru while Doctors & family members sat on the phone for hours trying to get approval for treatment ?
And that their CEO championed these policies so he could drive the stock price and line his pockets ?
I feel horrible for Charlie Kirk & that girl in Charlotte.
The greedy UNH CEO, not so much.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:44 pm to RLDSC FAN
Why was he ever charged with terrorism?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:45 pm to Dallas Horn
quote:
There are a long line of people that I will mourn for before I shed a tear for the UNH CEO.
Bruh careful unless you want people calling your boss to get you fired
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:46 pm to DavidTheGnome
There are a list of aggravating circumstances for murder one in NY and Mangione doesn't clearly meet any of them. The terrorism angle gave them a murder one basis.
But M1 in NY isn't particularly necessary with the death penalty now out in NY, and M2 can (as I understand it) pretty much otherwise stand as equivalent to M1 elsewhere.
TLDR: He can get life in prison for M2 in NY.
But M1 in NY isn't particularly necessary with the death penalty now out in NY, and M2 can (as I understand it) pretty much otherwise stand as equivalent to M1 elsewhere.
TLDR: He can get life in prison for M2 in NY.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:55 pm to RLDSC FAN
He will be treated very sweetly in jail based on looks alone
Posted on 9/16/25 at 4:04 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Bruh careful unless you want people calling your boss to get you fired
Clueless people think Luigi Mangione just picked the UNH CEO out of a phonebook.
Anthem had a controversial policy that they were preparing to implement regarding caps on coverage for anesthesia.
Anthem immediately discontinued that policy after UNH CEO was shot.
And UNH stock crashed after UNH management decided maybe they should consider denying fewer claims
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:23 pm to udtiger
quote:
I bet a deep dive into this judge's background would show sympathy to the defendant's motivations and actions.
He was appointed by the last Republican governor of New York (Pataki).
Popular
Back to top

12







