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NYT- U.S. Soccer has a new vision for youth development.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 5:29 pm
U.S. Soccer has a new vision for youth development. Implementing it is ‘an astronomical ask’
Great piece by Henry Bushnell LINK
When Matt Crocker landed in America, as U.S. Soccer’s second-ever sporting director, he plunged into a few urgent tasks. In 2023, he had a men’s national team coach to hire and, soon, a USWNT coach to find too. He had 27 national teams to oversee, and his first priority, he has said, was “getting our own house in order.” But eventually, he stepped back — and saw deficiencies.
He asked Twenty First Group, a sport data firm, some simple questions: Over the past 10 years, how many of the world’s best soccer players have been American? From 2014 to the present, Crocker said, the data showed a “slight, slow decline” in top-50 and top-250 players on the women’s side. On the men’s side, Crocker asked a room of coaches in January, how many top-50 players do you think we’ve produced?
“Zero,” a man in the audience shouted.
“Correct,” Crocker said.
And “there’s a saying,” he later continued: “do what you’ve always done, and you will get what you’ve always got.”
His goal, and his most monstrous task, is to get American soccer doing things differently.
He knows, however, that he can’t do this alone. “What I pretty quickly realized,” Crocker tells The Athletic, “is that we can have a way of doing things, a philosophy internally; but the players that come to us are always gonna be the same players unless we impact the landscape.”
So he canvassed that landscape, the messy, “disjointed,” dollar-driven U.S. soccer landscape. Throughout his first year on the job, he listened and learned. Then he codified a vision, a “plan for changing and improving, hopefully, player development in this country,” he says. His challenge, and the riddle that no U.S. Soccer executive has ever solved, is implementing it at thousands of amateur clubs, across an alphabet soup of youth soccer sanctioning organizations, that he does not — cannot — control.
There, at the clubs, is where “95% of player development happens,” Crocker often says. That’s the theory and motto underpinning the plan, which he and U.S. Soccer have branded “the U.S. Way.” Crocker has thoughts on how a 13-year-old should train, and on how a 5-year-old should be introduced to the game. What he’s trying to figure out is how to transmit those thoughts to the actions of the 13-year-old’s and the 5-year-old’s coaches.
In the past, he and others say, U.S. Soccer gurus would dictate to those coaches. The most transformative and disruptive plan to date, the Development Academy, relied on “standards” — and “technical advisors” who enforced them. A variety of “evaluation criteria,” from cadence of training to style of play, were graded and mandated at top youth clubs across the country. Many believe the DA reformed player development for the better, but it also angered members. “U.S. Soccer used a stick,” Crocker says, before relaying one analogy he heard on his listening tour. A stakeholder told him: “The only time we heard from U.S. Soccer is when they wanted to send a lightning bolt down to blow up something.”
Crocker, years later, has taken a different tack. Rather than dictate or tell, he wants to help and “influence.” He wants to inspire adoption of and alignment with his ideas. “It’s educating,” says Trish Hughes, commissioner of the Girls Academy, one of several youth leagues that Crocker needs on board, “and trying to pull people in to be a part of the process.”
But doing that, across this boundless landscape of independent clubs with their own incentives, who are often far more focused on fighting with one another for players than on producing future pros, is “not simple,” Crocker admits.
“The 5% is such an easy bit to change and tweak,” he said in January of U.S. Soccer’s operations. “But this 95% is a beast. A beast that I can’t even — I’m only just trying to begin to get my head around.”
Seven months later, he’s still trying. “This is — pfff,” he says with wide eyes. “This is something that I’ve never experienced.”
‘It feels like UEFA’
Crocker comes from a land where soccer is very different. Born in Wales, he made his name in England, first at Southampton, then at the English FA, the sport’s national governing body. There, he helped craft and operationalize “England DNA,” a five-pillar approach to elite player development that is credited with shaping successful England national teams of the 2020s.
But there, operationalizing a national plan is relatively straightforward.
“No one is more than three hours away from St. George’s Park,” Crocker says, referring to England’s national football center. “You could go on a roadshow, and cover the whole country, [visiting] every county association, in two weeks.” When the FA wants to push a new developmental philosophy or initiative, it engages with those county associations, which govern grassroots soccer; with professional clubs, which operate youth academies; and with coach educators, who work for the FA and serve the entire country. Everybody, and everything, can be interconnected.
In the U.S., on the other hand, everybody has their own motives. A youth club, which relies on pay-to-play fees for funding, must attract and retain players; a pro club might scout and poach those players; a college coach might recruit them so his or her team can win; Crocker might want them to develop into national teamers.
“What is needed to make youth soccer better can be very similar and very different to what pro soccer may need or want, or what the national team may need or want,” says Christian Lavers, president of the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL).
And in each of those segments, Lavers notes, “you have a lot of very strong-willed, very opinionated people.” Historically, “in American soccer,” he says, “there has really never been a table where youth soccer, pro soccer, college soccer and U.S. Soccer all sit together with transparent, respectful relationships to try and talk about moving the game forward. And so, what you end up having is all these different ecosystems of soccer pulling in slightly different directions based on what they see, and what they feel is important.”
Even within the “youth soccer” category, there are multiple elite leagues for teens and multiple sanctioning bodies. Within the U.S. Youth Soccer Association, the largest sanctioning body, there are 54 state associations (two each in California, Texas, New York and Pennsylvania), each with its own season, own concerns and own structure. It’s a web of maddening complexity. “Sometimes it feels like 50 countries, it feels like UEFA,” Crocker says, referencing the European soccer confederation of 55 member nations. “It feels like trying to get the whole of UEFA on the same page with a philosophy. That is the bit that is our biggest challenge.”
He knows that he and the U.S. Soccer Federation, a national governing body with a budget less than half that of the English FA, cannot work hands-on with coaches in the same way England can, nor with clubs that span an area roughly 75 times as vast. They cannot identify, nurture and elevate all the best 13-year-old players.
They have discussed novel solutions, such as creating six or eight “regional youth national teams” to touch a broader selection of players, but remember: youth national teams are the 5%; “you guys are the 95%,” Crocker told the room of coaches in January. “Your ways are fundamentally gonna make the difference. … You make the sausage. We’re just a little machine at the end that turns.”
What Crocker and U.S. Soccer must do, essentially, is teach the sausage makers.
Great piece by Henry Bushnell LINK
When Matt Crocker landed in America, as U.S. Soccer’s second-ever sporting director, he plunged into a few urgent tasks. In 2023, he had a men’s national team coach to hire and, soon, a USWNT coach to find too. He had 27 national teams to oversee, and his first priority, he has said, was “getting our own house in order.” But eventually, he stepped back — and saw deficiencies.
He asked Twenty First Group, a sport data firm, some simple questions: Over the past 10 years, how many of the world’s best soccer players have been American? From 2014 to the present, Crocker said, the data showed a “slight, slow decline” in top-50 and top-250 players on the women’s side. On the men’s side, Crocker asked a room of coaches in January, how many top-50 players do you think we’ve produced?
“Zero,” a man in the audience shouted.
“Correct,” Crocker said.
And “there’s a saying,” he later continued: “do what you’ve always done, and you will get what you’ve always got.”
His goal, and his most monstrous task, is to get American soccer doing things differently.
He knows, however, that he can’t do this alone. “What I pretty quickly realized,” Crocker tells The Athletic, “is that we can have a way of doing things, a philosophy internally; but the players that come to us are always gonna be the same players unless we impact the landscape.”
So he canvassed that landscape, the messy, “disjointed,” dollar-driven U.S. soccer landscape. Throughout his first year on the job, he listened and learned. Then he codified a vision, a “plan for changing and improving, hopefully, player development in this country,” he says. His challenge, and the riddle that no U.S. Soccer executive has ever solved, is implementing it at thousands of amateur clubs, across an alphabet soup of youth soccer sanctioning organizations, that he does not — cannot — control.
There, at the clubs, is where “95% of player development happens,” Crocker often says. That’s the theory and motto underpinning the plan, which he and U.S. Soccer have branded “the U.S. Way.” Crocker has thoughts on how a 13-year-old should train, and on how a 5-year-old should be introduced to the game. What he’s trying to figure out is how to transmit those thoughts to the actions of the 13-year-old’s and the 5-year-old’s coaches.
In the past, he and others say, U.S. Soccer gurus would dictate to those coaches. The most transformative and disruptive plan to date, the Development Academy, relied on “standards” — and “technical advisors” who enforced them. A variety of “evaluation criteria,” from cadence of training to style of play, were graded and mandated at top youth clubs across the country. Many believe the DA reformed player development for the better, but it also angered members. “U.S. Soccer used a stick,” Crocker says, before relaying one analogy he heard on his listening tour. A stakeholder told him: “The only time we heard from U.S. Soccer is when they wanted to send a lightning bolt down to blow up something.”
Crocker, years later, has taken a different tack. Rather than dictate or tell, he wants to help and “influence.” He wants to inspire adoption of and alignment with his ideas. “It’s educating,” says Trish Hughes, commissioner of the Girls Academy, one of several youth leagues that Crocker needs on board, “and trying to pull people in to be a part of the process.”
But doing that, across this boundless landscape of independent clubs with their own incentives, who are often far more focused on fighting with one another for players than on producing future pros, is “not simple,” Crocker admits.
“The 5% is such an easy bit to change and tweak,” he said in January of U.S. Soccer’s operations. “But this 95% is a beast. A beast that I can’t even — I’m only just trying to begin to get my head around.”
Seven months later, he’s still trying. “This is — pfff,” he says with wide eyes. “This is something that I’ve never experienced.”
‘It feels like UEFA’
Crocker comes from a land where soccer is very different. Born in Wales, he made his name in England, first at Southampton, then at the English FA, the sport’s national governing body. There, he helped craft and operationalize “England DNA,” a five-pillar approach to elite player development that is credited with shaping successful England national teams of the 2020s.
But there, operationalizing a national plan is relatively straightforward.
“No one is more than three hours away from St. George’s Park,” Crocker says, referring to England’s national football center. “You could go on a roadshow, and cover the whole country, [visiting] every county association, in two weeks.” When the FA wants to push a new developmental philosophy or initiative, it engages with those county associations, which govern grassroots soccer; with professional clubs, which operate youth academies; and with coach educators, who work for the FA and serve the entire country. Everybody, and everything, can be interconnected.
In the U.S., on the other hand, everybody has their own motives. A youth club, which relies on pay-to-play fees for funding, must attract and retain players; a pro club might scout and poach those players; a college coach might recruit them so his or her team can win; Crocker might want them to develop into national teamers.
“What is needed to make youth soccer better can be very similar and very different to what pro soccer may need or want, or what the national team may need or want,” says Christian Lavers, president of the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL).
And in each of those segments, Lavers notes, “you have a lot of very strong-willed, very opinionated people.” Historically, “in American soccer,” he says, “there has really never been a table where youth soccer, pro soccer, college soccer and U.S. Soccer all sit together with transparent, respectful relationships to try and talk about moving the game forward. And so, what you end up having is all these different ecosystems of soccer pulling in slightly different directions based on what they see, and what they feel is important.”
Even within the “youth soccer” category, there are multiple elite leagues for teens and multiple sanctioning bodies. Within the U.S. Youth Soccer Association, the largest sanctioning body, there are 54 state associations (two each in California, Texas, New York and Pennsylvania), each with its own season, own concerns and own structure. It’s a web of maddening complexity. “Sometimes it feels like 50 countries, it feels like UEFA,” Crocker says, referencing the European soccer confederation of 55 member nations. “It feels like trying to get the whole of UEFA on the same page with a philosophy. That is the bit that is our biggest challenge.”
He knows that he and the U.S. Soccer Federation, a national governing body with a budget less than half that of the English FA, cannot work hands-on with coaches in the same way England can, nor with clubs that span an area roughly 75 times as vast. They cannot identify, nurture and elevate all the best 13-year-old players.
They have discussed novel solutions, such as creating six or eight “regional youth national teams” to touch a broader selection of players, but remember: youth national teams are the 5%; “you guys are the 95%,” Crocker told the room of coaches in January. “Your ways are fundamentally gonna make the difference. … You make the sausage. We’re just a little machine at the end that turns.”
What Crocker and U.S. Soccer must do, essentially, is teach the sausage makers.
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 5:29 pm to cwil177
‘Putting the player’s needs above winning’
That’s why Crocker, in his second year on the job, set off on his own “roadshow.” He jetted coast to coast, south to north, evangelizing “the U.S. Way.” He presented at board meetings and symposiums. He spoke at conferences and conventions. The meat of his message was, and is, about “putting the player first, and the player’s needs above winning.”
For elite teenage prospects, that means individual development plans shared among youth national team and club coaches. U.S. Soccer is piloting a digital platform that will house performance data, training programs, film and more, so that all those coaches who sculpt a given player can align.
For 5-year-olds, of course, it means something very different. U.S. Soccer doesn’t have specific prescriptions for them — yet. Crocker, though, wants the federation to help shape playing environments at “every age and stage,” as he often says, “as soon as a child can walk.” He envisions a dad who signs his daughter up for rec soccer, and stumbles into coaching the team, with no prior experience. He wants that dad to log onto U.S. Soccer’s website and find instructive, illustrative answers to three key questions: “How do you make the environment fun and safe? How do you [give each kid] as many touches [of the ball] as you possibly can? And how do you make sure that you put the individual needs of the player before winning?”
That latter point, the prioritization of winning vs. development, is a source of constant tension in youth sports. There’s natural pressure to win, says Hughes, the Girls Academy commissioner, and “there’s always a scorecard in the girls youth soccer space,” where wins determine coach and club prestige. Crocker says it’s “a bit dog-eat-dog. It’s a bit ‘win win win, that helps me as a coach keep the players I want to keep, and helps me progress.’”
Crocker believes, “wholeheartedly,” that this mentality hinders technical development, and must shift. Many others do as well. But there’s a significant subset of coaches who believe that the U.S. soccer intelligentsia has actually shifted too far toward “winning doesn’t matter.” Lavers, the ECNL president, is part of this subset and says: “We need to correct for that.”
“You cannot completely decouple winning and development,” Lavers argues. “Because the will to win, the fight to win, the understanding of what it takes to win, is something that you certainly don’t want to stifle.”
He adds: “I also think we need to have respect for the youth coaches, [and] respect that they know how to balance winning vs. development as it changes across all of the age groups, and not talk to them as if they can’t possibly understand that.”
This is the proverbial tightrope that Crocker must walk. He does not want to impose his views, but, in the absence of mandates or standards, how can he incentivize coaches to adopt them?
In January, he spoke about drafting a “bible” that anyone could choose to follow. Speaking now, via Zoom from a temporary office south of Atlanta, he delves into the more formalized field that will be crucial: coaching education. U.S. Soccer’s network of courses, educators and licenses has historically been exclusive. It’s “a drop in the ocean compared to what we’re gonna need to deliver to service the whole game across 50 countries,” Crocker says.
He knows that coaching coaches is unsexy. But it’s “the biggest lever that we can pull,” he says. In England, he explained, a young boy is “never more than 13 minutes away from a free elite program, with highly qualified coaches that have a playing philosophy and have an individual development plan for every single player.” In the U.S., there simply aren’t enough coaches with any of that. Many currently turn to YouTube and “try to find the best drill,” according to Chris Bentley, U.S. Youth Soccer’s director of education. U.S. Soccer and its members must arm them with better knowledge and resources.
Crocker dreams of having a USSF coaching education hub in each of the 50 states. He knows, of course, that this is an “absolutely unbelievable gigantic project,” one that would require many millions of dollars and could take decades to stand up.
“But,” he continues, “it’s bloody exciting. The reason why I’m here is, I’m excited by these types of huge projects.”
‘A presentation and a document is not a plan’
At many stops on the roadshow, Crocker’s rhetoric has galvanized coaches and administrators. But it has been almost a year since he first outlined “the U.S. Way,” and many are still wondering: What, exactly, is it? How will it come to fruition?
“A presentation and a document,” says Mike Cullina, the CEO of U.S. Club Soccer and a U.S. Soccer board member, “is not a plan.”
Earnie Stewart, Crocker’s predecessor, also had a presentation. Claudio Reyna, U.S. Soccer’s youth technical director in the early 2010s, had a 123-page document. “Everybody,” Cullina says of Reyna’s curriculum, “bought it hook, line and sinker … and then it just disappeared.” Some have wondered skeptically: Is “the U.S. Way” just a well-branded repeat?
“Words on paper is lovely,” Cullina says. “But unless you can operationalize it, and unless you can get the buy-in necessary, it really isn’t going to have any impact.”
What he and others stress, though, is that U.S. Soccer has in fact changed. Crocker’s sporting department and a new soccer growth department are “doing a tremendous amount of work, building relationships” across the landscape, Cullina says.
“The change is dramatic,” Bentley says. “They have people involved, that are full-time employed, that are working directly with their members.”
“I’ve never seen the type of energy and activity that U.S. Soccer has brought to us — the time, the resources,” U.S. Youth Soccer CEO Tom Condone agrees.
Added United Soccer League president Paul McDonough: “This group has been very, very proactive in communication and collaboration.”
Tangibly, thus far, they’ve begun to coordinate a “unified youth calendar” with leagues like MLS Next. They are working on digital platforms. They are reaching out, building trust.
And they are refining what Crocker calls “a really robust plan,” but he acknowledges: “Being able to turn that plan into something that resembles some type of reality, and get it working, and fund it, I think is an astronomical ask.”
Paul Tenorio contributed reporting to this story.
That’s why Crocker, in his second year on the job, set off on his own “roadshow.” He jetted coast to coast, south to north, evangelizing “the U.S. Way.” He presented at board meetings and symposiums. He spoke at conferences and conventions. The meat of his message was, and is, about “putting the player first, and the player’s needs above winning.”
For elite teenage prospects, that means individual development plans shared among youth national team and club coaches. U.S. Soccer is piloting a digital platform that will house performance data, training programs, film and more, so that all those coaches who sculpt a given player can align.
For 5-year-olds, of course, it means something very different. U.S. Soccer doesn’t have specific prescriptions for them — yet. Crocker, though, wants the federation to help shape playing environments at “every age and stage,” as he often says, “as soon as a child can walk.” He envisions a dad who signs his daughter up for rec soccer, and stumbles into coaching the team, with no prior experience. He wants that dad to log onto U.S. Soccer’s website and find instructive, illustrative answers to three key questions: “How do you make the environment fun and safe? How do you [give each kid] as many touches [of the ball] as you possibly can? And how do you make sure that you put the individual needs of the player before winning?”
That latter point, the prioritization of winning vs. development, is a source of constant tension in youth sports. There’s natural pressure to win, says Hughes, the Girls Academy commissioner, and “there’s always a scorecard in the girls youth soccer space,” where wins determine coach and club prestige. Crocker says it’s “a bit dog-eat-dog. It’s a bit ‘win win win, that helps me as a coach keep the players I want to keep, and helps me progress.’”
Crocker believes, “wholeheartedly,” that this mentality hinders technical development, and must shift. Many others do as well. But there’s a significant subset of coaches who believe that the U.S. soccer intelligentsia has actually shifted too far toward “winning doesn’t matter.” Lavers, the ECNL president, is part of this subset and says: “We need to correct for that.”
“You cannot completely decouple winning and development,” Lavers argues. “Because the will to win, the fight to win, the understanding of what it takes to win, is something that you certainly don’t want to stifle.”
He adds: “I also think we need to have respect for the youth coaches, [and] respect that they know how to balance winning vs. development as it changes across all of the age groups, and not talk to them as if they can’t possibly understand that.”
This is the proverbial tightrope that Crocker must walk. He does not want to impose his views, but, in the absence of mandates or standards, how can he incentivize coaches to adopt them?
In January, he spoke about drafting a “bible” that anyone could choose to follow. Speaking now, via Zoom from a temporary office south of Atlanta, he delves into the more formalized field that will be crucial: coaching education. U.S. Soccer’s network of courses, educators and licenses has historically been exclusive. It’s “a drop in the ocean compared to what we’re gonna need to deliver to service the whole game across 50 countries,” Crocker says.
He knows that coaching coaches is unsexy. But it’s “the biggest lever that we can pull,” he says. In England, he explained, a young boy is “never more than 13 minutes away from a free elite program, with highly qualified coaches that have a playing philosophy and have an individual development plan for every single player.” In the U.S., there simply aren’t enough coaches with any of that. Many currently turn to YouTube and “try to find the best drill,” according to Chris Bentley, U.S. Youth Soccer’s director of education. U.S. Soccer and its members must arm them with better knowledge and resources.
Crocker dreams of having a USSF coaching education hub in each of the 50 states. He knows, of course, that this is an “absolutely unbelievable gigantic project,” one that would require many millions of dollars and could take decades to stand up.
“But,” he continues, “it’s bloody exciting. The reason why I’m here is, I’m excited by these types of huge projects.”
‘A presentation and a document is not a plan’
At many stops on the roadshow, Crocker’s rhetoric has galvanized coaches and administrators. But it has been almost a year since he first outlined “the U.S. Way,” and many are still wondering: What, exactly, is it? How will it come to fruition?
“A presentation and a document,” says Mike Cullina, the CEO of U.S. Club Soccer and a U.S. Soccer board member, “is not a plan.”
Earnie Stewart, Crocker’s predecessor, also had a presentation. Claudio Reyna, U.S. Soccer’s youth technical director in the early 2010s, had a 123-page document. “Everybody,” Cullina says of Reyna’s curriculum, “bought it hook, line and sinker … and then it just disappeared.” Some have wondered skeptically: Is “the U.S. Way” just a well-branded repeat?
“Words on paper is lovely,” Cullina says. “But unless you can operationalize it, and unless you can get the buy-in necessary, it really isn’t going to have any impact.”
What he and others stress, though, is that U.S. Soccer has in fact changed. Crocker’s sporting department and a new soccer growth department are “doing a tremendous amount of work, building relationships” across the landscape, Cullina says.
“The change is dramatic,” Bentley says. “They have people involved, that are full-time employed, that are working directly with their members.”
“I’ve never seen the type of energy and activity that U.S. Soccer has brought to us — the time, the resources,” U.S. Youth Soccer CEO Tom Condone agrees.
Added United Soccer League president Paul McDonough: “This group has been very, very proactive in communication and collaboration.”
Tangibly, thus far, they’ve begun to coordinate a “unified youth calendar” with leagues like MLS Next. They are working on digital platforms. They are reaching out, building trust.
And they are refining what Crocker calls “a really robust plan,” but he acknowledges: “Being able to turn that plan into something that resembles some type of reality, and get it working, and fund it, I think is an astronomical ask.”
Paul Tenorio contributed reporting to this story.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 5:35 pm to cwil177
It’s a good article and reflects well on the USSF mindset currently, with Crocker leading the show. Overall I’m cautiously optimistic. We will see what happens when the rubber meets the road.
From a Reddit comment:
I attended Crocker's original talk that the article talks about- the talk itself is really great, and directionally it's fantastic for US Soccer. The Q&A/discussion afterwards had a number of coaches saying "I've been waiting for someone from US Soccer for years to talk about the foundational issues you talked about here."
That said, it's a huge ship to steer, and The US Way is a fine needle to thread: either being too prescriptive (and losing buy-in from constituent clubs and coaches), or too generic (and not really valuable enough to actually change anything). And it has touch points on all of the third rails of soccer in the US: pay-to-play, scouting, regional organizational competition and collaboration, even pro/rel considerations. And at the end of the day, you can really only make a strong judgement years and years down the line, when kids grow up enough to see if there has been an improvement or not.
That said, I think the main takeaway from the coaches in the room was really that first bit: "wow, they're finally doing something". Second best time to plant a tree is today, and all. So I'm really pretty optimistic.
From a Reddit comment:
I attended Crocker's original talk that the article talks about- the talk itself is really great, and directionally it's fantastic for US Soccer. The Q&A/discussion afterwards had a number of coaches saying "I've been waiting for someone from US Soccer for years to talk about the foundational issues you talked about here."
That said, it's a huge ship to steer, and The US Way is a fine needle to thread: either being too prescriptive (and losing buy-in from constituent clubs and coaches), or too generic (and not really valuable enough to actually change anything). And it has touch points on all of the third rails of soccer in the US: pay-to-play, scouting, regional organizational competition and collaboration, even pro/rel considerations. And at the end of the day, you can really only make a strong judgement years and years down the line, when kids grow up enough to see if there has been an improvement or not.
That said, I think the main takeaway from the coaches in the room was really that first bit: "wow, they're finally doing something". Second best time to plant a tree is today, and all. So I'm really pretty optimistic.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:35 pm to cwil177
Thank you for taking the time to post in full.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:42 am to cwil177
Good read. I really like the idea of creating regions across the country within US soccer and having the kids feed up to those regional offices and teams.
I saw the quote from the guy with ECNL so I had to comment on this ongoing ordeal in Mandeville. MSC is in its first season now with ECNL after having moved from the Gulf South whatever league. The higher ups at MSC are so damn gung ho about competing in these ECNL games selling it as a "tougher challenge" and a "big step up in competition" and "must win games". When you look a little deeper you see it's a good bit of the same teams we would normally play anyway. Also at the end of the day, competing in a different league is one thing. But it's not going to change the most important thing which is how is MSC as a club going to change? Are these coaches that are leading the club going to adapt to better training regimens? Are they going to fire themselves for better coaches? Or is this all just a ploy to "get in a better league" to justify what will inevitably be a fee increase for all players in the club?
I saw the quote from the guy with ECNL so I had to comment on this ongoing ordeal in Mandeville. MSC is in its first season now with ECNL after having moved from the Gulf South whatever league. The higher ups at MSC are so damn gung ho about competing in these ECNL games selling it as a "tougher challenge" and a "big step up in competition" and "must win games". When you look a little deeper you see it's a good bit of the same teams we would normally play anyway. Also at the end of the day, competing in a different league is one thing. But it's not going to change the most important thing which is how is MSC as a club going to change? Are these coaches that are leading the club going to adapt to better training regimens? Are they going to fire themselves for better coaches? Or is this all just a ploy to "get in a better league" to justify what will inevitably be a fee increase for all players in the club?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 12:51 pm to etm512
As a referee there are too many effin “upper level/elite” alphabet leagues out there and they’re all watered down.
EA/Aspire, GA, ECNL, ECNL-RL, NAL, National League. MLS Next. Too many leagues and it waters everything down.
EA/Aspire, GA, ECNL, ECNL-RL, NAL, National League. MLS Next. Too many leagues and it waters everything down.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 10:59 am to cwil177
In palm beach gardens (we play at the fields Real Madrid rented to give an idea of quality) they’ve changed the structure this year for the young kids rec.
Instead of 2 weeks of practice followed by 20ish games for my 7 year old they will play one game on Saturdays. On Wed they will do a technical training with the “opponent” run by guys from the club and then a scrimmage with them coaching on the field to encourage primitive shapes and passing.
I love it.
Older guy who is in charge of the “grass roots” development and rec>club transition was with Man Us academy for a few decades and has been trying to get a shift away from things being so game centric.
Now if only they’d cut down on some of these games for my “pre- GA” 10 year old daughter who plays competitive.
You still can’t convince me that a 4 hour round trip to play a 60 min game is more beneficial to these girls than playing 5 v5 while doing tech training before or partnering with another local club to have more in game experience.
But 80% of these parents need to see their daughter score a goal against ____ while helping us win 3-2 for it to be a good weekend.
Instead of 2 weeks of practice followed by 20ish games for my 7 year old they will play one game on Saturdays. On Wed they will do a technical training with the “opponent” run by guys from the club and then a scrimmage with them coaching on the field to encourage primitive shapes and passing.
I love it.
Older guy who is in charge of the “grass roots” development and rec>club transition was with Man Us academy for a few decades and has been trying to get a shift away from things being so game centric.
Now if only they’d cut down on some of these games for my “pre- GA” 10 year old daughter who plays competitive.
You still can’t convince me that a 4 hour round trip to play a 60 min game is more beneficial to these girls than playing 5 v5 while doing tech training before or partnering with another local club to have more in game experience.
But 80% of these parents need to see their daughter score a goal against ____ while helping us win 3-2 for it to be a good weekend.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:28 am to St Augustine
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You still can’t convince me that a 4 hour round trip to play a 60 min game is more beneficial to these girls than playing 5 v5 while doing tech training before or partnering with another local club to have more in game experience.
My daughter played for BRSC, not at the level discussed in this article, but Red/Black over a decade. We would always make trips to TX, TN, AL, etc. and wind up playing teams no better than back home, and often times worse.
A few years ago we went to Memphis to play in a tournament. While there we played teams from Slidell, Mandeville, and Gulfport MS. We all could have just shown up in Mandeville one weekend and got the same results.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:36 am to OldManRiver
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few years ago we went to Memphis to play in a tournament. While there we played teams from Slidell, Mandeville, and Gulfport MS. We all could have just shown up in Mandeville one weekend and got the same results.
Been there a few times. My thing is I don’t know what else to do. She loves soccer and currently her goal is to play for her school when she hits HS. It’s a state champ level HS as well. But 100% of the girls on that team either play for her club or another big one in the vicinity and she isn’t the kind of unicorn athlete that can just walk on to that kind of team.
So outside of her grinding away at the club (which she enjoys) not sure what other form of development there really is for her to reach her goal.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 11:49 am to Floyd Dawg
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a referee there are too many effin “upper level/elite” alphabet leagues out there and they’re all watered down. EA/Aspire, GA, ECNL, ECNL-RL, NAL, National League. MLS Next. Too many leagues and it waters everything down.
The gate keeping done at the youth level in American soccer is insane
If your child is not in a club associated with MLS Next Pro, ECNL etc, all of which just lead back to being tied with Next pro. Your child’s chances of making this a career path are significantly lower. The thing is there is no merit for a club to be let in. It’s just some people who decide to let that club in or not and some of it is directly tied to money. The youth clubs with ties to Next Pro all cost significantly more than clubs not associated to it.
The club in my area tied to it has a main hub in Raleigh and a branch down here. They are not levels better than the club my kids are in when they play. Yet it’s much more and they gate keep Next Pro sessions to high light your kid to scouts.
The other massive Raleigh club is Wake FC. They literally have like 4+ travel teams per age group. It’s just a money printing machine off the affluent people in the Raleigh area. Our local club does a Mother’s Day tournament every year and the Rec Allstars play in it as well. My 11 year olds all star team absolutely smoked these kids. Our clubs U12 team beat them pretty bad. When our clubs travel team played the all stars that was probably the most intense U12 match I’ve ever seen. The intensity and pace was unreal. The travel team won with 10 seconds left because the ball took a huge bounce and went over the keepers head. Which would have never happened if it was grass pitch not turf. But that just shows how many diamond in the rough kids are out there without the exposure to travel.
Also until youth clubs primary focus is on developing professional footballers even travel here is essentially rec that cost more money. Clubs primary source of income is off the players parents not revenue from developing top level talent that can be sold down the line which they get money for on every transfer.
Also if anyone with kids in travel don’t follow the 3four3 podcast. I highly suggest it.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 11:57 am
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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lso if anyone with kids in travel don’t follow the 3four3 podcast. I highly suggest it.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:58 pm to St Augustine
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You still can’t convince me that a 4 hour round trip to play a 60 min game is more beneficial to these girls than playing 5 v5 while doing tech training before or partnering with another local club to have more in game experience.
Whenever I spend more time in the car than my kids get on the pitch I consider it a waste of time. At a development age I would argue reps>>>>>>>>>anything else.
I've even voiced this directly to the club that driving to a game doesn't make my kid a better player. Yes they need to be playing a similar level of competition but you can find enough of those teams to keep playing within an hour's drive
We have a team from Alexandria in our league this year. When we have to travel there in the spring for one game I am going to lose it
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:03 pm to etm512
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We have a team from Alexandria in our league this year.
Same here, but I think we lucked out and will get that game at home.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:22 pm to etm512
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When we have to travel there in the spring for one game I am going to lose it
Nothing a trip to atwood’s cant fix baw
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:40 pm to MOT
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Same here, but I think we lucked out and will get that game at home.
Unless they promote or relegate the teams in the division, if they are in our league this fall they will be there in the spring. So if you were home you will then be away and vice versa
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:52 pm to etm512
Yeah we were also lucky there are so many teams in the division that they only play once during the year and the games just have to be completed by a certain point in the Spring.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:56 pm to MOT
That's good. For this AX team in our league the closest away game for them is in BR 
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:12 pm to etm512
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Unless they promote or relegate the teams in the division, if they are in our league this fall they will be there in the spring. So if you were home you will then be away and vice versa
The league I played in growing up in the DMV was like this. 5 divisions and if your got relegated out the 5th division your club was kicked out the league
But there was another one right there that wasn’t as competitive that would take your money.
Lucky we never had to go to far to play because travel had always been huge in the DC area. But also shocking DC United can’t produce anything in the academy.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:20 pm to StraightCashHomey21
DC seems to lose a lot of talent to kids going to Europe. Plus the club seems to be not great at promoting youth players. Outside of Paredes and Hopkins not a lot of kids have got routine playing time coming through the academy.
I thought your comments about rec vs travel in your area were interesting, and I appreciate you sharing that perspective. I agree with the sentiment here that a lot of this is a cash grab and the benefit comes from reps, not traveling four hours to play a team that is maybe marginally better than local competition.
Has anyone here read Tom Byer’s book soccer starts at home? Now that I have a little one I plan on reading it soon. He had a recent interview with scuffed that was fantastic.
Byer had a massive role in Japan’s rise in soccer. He’s almost single handedly responsible for raising the technical level of that country. NYT/the athletic did an article on him recently.
Football Architects: Tom Byer, the American coach behind Japan’s technical revolution
I thought your comments about rec vs travel in your area were interesting, and I appreciate you sharing that perspective. I agree with the sentiment here that a lot of this is a cash grab and the benefit comes from reps, not traveling four hours to play a team that is maybe marginally better than local competition.
Has anyone here read Tom Byer’s book soccer starts at home? Now that I have a little one I plan on reading it soon. He had a recent interview with scuffed that was fantastic.
Byer had a massive role in Japan’s rise in soccer. He’s almost single handedly responsible for raising the technical level of that country. NYT/the athletic did an article on him recently.
Football Architects: Tom Byer, the American coach behind Japan’s technical revolution
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:08 pm to cwil177
Also DCU was one of the last franchises to start an academy
Which is criminal
They should have been one of the first
My oldest is at a stage now where he’s board at rec with this team. Hes the best kid on the team and he’s not with the kids he played with the last few seasons that I got to coach last fall.
What he does have though is a middle school team to try out for in the spring. Something I never had.
As much shite as high school and college soccer get for its set up and rules to the point it’s almost a different sport
The one thing that is a huge positive is that it keeps your accountable for your performance and the teams results. If you play like shite or the team gets smoked you have to answer for it to your friends and classmates. Because much like a club in Europe people have pride in their school.
You don’t get that accountability in club travel soccer. If your team sucks you just try out for a different one.
My 7 year old, literally all he does is have a ball at his feet. At home, at school during recess and at home. He still hasn’t used his dribble up because I don’t trust him in the house
He’s a massive brut but his first touch and overall touch is very good for his age. Better than many kids older than him. That just comes from the constant extra reps he gets in his free time with a ball.
Which is criminal
They should have been one of the first
My oldest is at a stage now where he’s board at rec with this team. Hes the best kid on the team and he’s not with the kids he played with the last few seasons that I got to coach last fall.
What he does have though is a middle school team to try out for in the spring. Something I never had.
As much shite as high school and college soccer get for its set up and rules to the point it’s almost a different sport
The one thing that is a huge positive is that it keeps your accountable for your performance and the teams results. If you play like shite or the team gets smoked you have to answer for it to your friends and classmates. Because much like a club in Europe people have pride in their school.
You don’t get that accountability in club travel soccer. If your team sucks you just try out for a different one.
My 7 year old, literally all he does is have a ball at his feet. At home, at school during recess and at home. He still hasn’t used his dribble up because I don’t trust him in the house
He’s a massive brut but his first touch and overall touch is very good for his age. Better than many kids older than him. That just comes from the constant extra reps he gets in his free time with a ball.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 7:17 pm
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