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It seems the Anglo-Dutch oligarchy are desperate to keep the Russia/Ukraine war going.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:06 am
First Boris Johnson pressures Big Z to not negotiate a peace deal.
A few months ago Big Z goes to King Charles to get a pep talk. LINK
Now the Netherlands are sending 500 million Euros to Big Z and undermining Trump's ongoing negotiations with Putin to end this war.
WTF?
I swear, every time you dig deep in history the damn Brits are wrecking shop.
A few months ago Big Z goes to King Charles to get a pep talk. LINK
Now the Netherlands are sending 500 million Euros to Big Z and undermining Trump's ongoing negotiations with Putin to end this war.
WTF?
I swear, every time you dig deep in history the damn Brits are wrecking shop.
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:19 am to GumboPot
quote:“Ukraine is not our affair. European countries need to step up and handle it.”
Now the Netherlands are sending 500 million Euros to Big Z and undermining Trump's ongoing negotiations with Putin to end this war.
(Europe steps up)
“Why are those damned Europeans interfering with Our President’s (tm) game of interdimensional chess?”
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:22 am to Marco_Duo
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“Why are those damned Europeans interfering with Our President’s (tm) game of inlterdimensional chess?”
Because I want Trump to succeed.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:25 am to GumboPot
Putin losing this war in embarrassing fashion would be Trump's biggest avenue for success.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:28 am to Marco_Duo
quote:
Ukraine is not our affair. European countries need to step up and handle it.”
(Europe steps up)
“Why are those damned Europeans interfering with Our President’s (tm) game of interdimensional chess?”
So it’s good to undermine potential peace talks so we stop wasting lives and our tax payer dollars…..that makes perfect sense
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Putin losing this war in embarrassing fashion would be Trump's biggest avenue for success.
Can you define winning or losing?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:31 am to GumboPot
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undermining Trump
We don’t get to say we’re tired of policing the world AND still have influence in every conversation.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:31 am to GumboPot
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Can you define winning or losing?
Russia removing itself from all areas won since the invasion.
Ukraine having no restrictions thereafter on membership in any organization.
Super duper victory would include the return of Crimea and paying reparations for the cost of rebuilding Ukraine.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:31 am to GumboPot
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Can you define winning or losing?
He can’t and why engage this guy in conversation?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:31 am to ABearsFanNMS
quote:Has Russia frozen military spending during these “negotiations?”
wasting lives and our tax payer dollars…..that makes perfect sense
If not, why should Ukraine?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia removing itself from all areas won since the invasion.
Ukraine having no restrictions thereafter on membership in any organization.
Super duper victory would include the return of Crimea and paying reparations for the cost of rebuilding Ukraine.
I know those are your dreams conditions of a peace deal but it's not reality.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:36 am to Marco_Duo
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Has Russia frozen military spending during these “negotiations?”
If not, why should Ukraine?
The question is not why Ukraine, the question is why are the Anglo-Dutch so interested in this war continuing?
It seems the Anglo-Dutch are now the impediments to a peace deal.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:39 am to GumboPot
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sending 500 million Euros to Big Z
Its their money
quote:
undermining Trump's ongoing negotiations with Putin
How are they doing this? That part is what I would have an issue with, not the first part.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
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I know those are your dreams conditions of a peace deal but it's not reality.
That's the democratic playbook. A world in which reality doesn't exist.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:42 am to GumboPot
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I know those are your dreams conditions of a peace deal but it's not reality.
The first 2 are very realistic. That would be a YUGE success for Trump.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:42 am to Marco_Duo
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Has Russia frozen military spending during these “negotiations?”
So Ukraine is now really Ukraine, Britain and the Netherlands…..
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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The first 2 are very realistic. That would be a YUGE success for Trump.
So we and NATO should go back on our commitments to the Russians when the Wall came down…..that doesn’t sound like a good way to build peace. In fact it sounds like you want to reimplement the old Obama/Hillary strategy which went against decades of intelligence estimates!
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:46 am to VolSquatch
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How are they doing this? That part is what I would have an issue with, not the first part.
"Trump is about to meet with Putin. Hurry up, send him some money to buy weapons."
The timing is a tell that they don't want this war to end and I don't know why. The longer this conflict happens the more land Putin conquers and the more Ukraine men die. It's like they can't get it though their thick skulls that it doesn't get any better than now. Take the best you can get and that is now.
It probably all goes back to the bankers.
Putin won't use the US/Europe banking system to trade so he is enemy number one.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:49 am to GumboPot
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"Trump is about to meet with Putin. Hurry up, send him some money to buy weapons."
The timing is a tell that they don't want this war to end and I don't know why. The longer this conflict happens the more land Putin conquers and the more Ukraine men die. It's like they can't get it though their thick skulls that it doesn't get any better than now. Take the best you can get and that is now.
It probably all goes back to the bankers.
Putin won't use the US/Europe banking system to trade so he is enemy number one.
We've seen throughout this war that countries try to time agreements like this right before a negotiation. Hostilities usually ramp up considerably right before one too. Its more about pressuring the other side than it is trying to screw up negotiations. Is it all that effective? Probably not.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:50 am to GumboPot
This guy is doing Vogue photo shoots, so our play may be to get him in there.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 9:50 am
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