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Air India 787 Dreamliner crashes in the city of Ahmedabad

Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:31 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:31 am
I don't think anyone survived this one.

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Posted by jmh5724
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:25 am to
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Here’s a video of the entire takeoff roll. That plane looks like it was in trouble the second it rotated.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted by Athis
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1721 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:32 pm to
Total speculation:

From the ground level video the flaps do not appear to be extended correctly for takeoff. Can't remember exactly how the T/O Warning is mechanized on the 787, but on many transport category jets the alert sounds if you advance the throttles without the flaps in a "normal takeoff position".

On my current aircraft we commonly use 1, 5 or 15 for takeoff. All normal positions. At Orange County (SNA) the runway is very short and we typically need Flaps 15 for takeoff. If you forget to put the flaps out, you will get a warning horn blaring at you when you start the takeoff roll. However, if you only extend the flaps to Flap 1 ( which is very difficult for a layman to even tell externally from looking at them) when your programmed takeoff performance data calls for Flaps 15, the jet will very happily roll quietly (a long distance) down the runway.

At first glance (again, total speculation) it sure looks like they didn't have the flaps set correctly for their configuration. Possibly they realized their mistake too late to successfully reject the takeoff, rotated at the last possible moment (hence the dust you see being kicked up at the departure end) and were so preoccupied with firewalling the motors and trying not to stall while the stick shaker, aural stall warning and ground proximity warning system all went off that they never got the landing gear up and ran out of airspeed/altitude/ideas all at once.

Don't think this one will be terribly hard to decipher once they recover the FDR/CVR.
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Posted by StreakySchmidty
Brisbane
Member since Jul 2014
576 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:37 am to
The plane was 11 years old.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 6:06 am
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16453 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:37 am to
Not a good look for Boeing
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92654 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:41 am to
quote:

11 years old


You're correct. They had/have a new one on order.
Posted by StreakySchmidty
Brisbane
Member since Jul 2014
576 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:42 am to
Nothing to do with Boeing right now. Air India issue and possibly a stall on take off. First hull loss for a 787 since they’ve been in production.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 4:45 am
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37712 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:44 am to
This will likely be an Air India issue. The 787 has been great.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16453 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:52 am to
BA stock down 7% after hrs. Maybe just panic sellers.
Posted by StreakySchmidty
Brisbane
Member since Jul 2014
576 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 4:53 am to
Yep, 11 years in service and no problems. Air India has had sketchy maintenance for years. Which should be no shocker for anyone. Flightradar isn’t the best source but it looks like they took off from the middle of the runway. 787 needs 8k feet of runway for a good takeoff and they used about 5k of runway.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 5:09 am
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2366 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:12 am to
In that video it looks like the flaps were not deployed. Maybe a stall on takeoff because of no flaps?
Posted by StreakySchmidty
Brisbane
Member since Jul 2014
576 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:17 am to
Yeah no flaps. People saying the RAT was deployed. Possible double engine failure. Gear still down and no flaps is not good.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 5:20 am
Posted by Stealth Matrix
29°59'55.98"N 90°05'21.85"W
Member since Aug 2019
10079 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:20 am to
quote:

I don't think anyone survived this one.

242 on board
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
4795 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:20 am to
Time to unleash the conspiracy nuts. Was this a Pakistani sabotage? Who was on the plane? Etc, etc. there’s no room for accidents or errors in today’s world.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48926 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:20 am to
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48926 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:23 am to
Posted by StreakySchmidty
Brisbane
Member since Jul 2014
576 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:27 am to
Pilot error is my guess.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48926 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:43 am to
This is the first fatal crash and first hull loss of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
17759 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 5:51 am to
Boeing is so screwed.
RIP
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2515 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:24 am to
Possibly flew into a microburst right after takeoff? Looks like he pitched up hard and stalled
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 6:25 am
Posted by LSUbasketballfan
Member since Jan 2021
293 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:30 am to
Weird thing to be recording.
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1107 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:31 am to
Im pretty sure they were supposed to go up.
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