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NIL/Profit Sharing may work-the Portal is the problem
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:23 am
Profit sharing, paying or splitting revenue is the easy part. It’s the portal with immediate eligibility that destroys the entire concept of managing an athletic department or a roster.
If you want to include a salary cap, great, but until the open door of the portal is closed, it’s an unmanageable situation for the universities.
Reimplement the one year sit out on the transfers (unless graduates) and that would go a long way in stabilizing the athletic departments.
If you want to include a salary cap, great, but until the open door of the portal is closed, it’s an unmanageable situation for the universities.
Reimplement the one year sit out on the transfers (unless graduates) and that would go a long way in stabilizing the athletic departments.
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:25 am to CDawson
If the ncaa put a max in NIL annual payments to players with the unpaid portion awarded upon graduation from that school it would help a ton
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:27 am to CDawson
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Profit sharing, paying or splitting revenue is the easy part.
99.99% of schools do not turn any profit at all, let alone the $20mil that just got added to the expense column.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:27 am to Finch
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If the ncaa put a max in NIL annual payments to players with the unpaid portion awarded upon graduation from that school it would help a ton
Yep, anything to give the staff some leverage with the roster. Right now, coaches no longer call meetings, players and advisors do.
At least the NFL/NBA/MLB have contracts. You simply cannot manage employees when you have no contractual recourse against them.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:32 am to CDawson
NIL is not part of an employment contract. If a company wants to pay a player to use the name, image, or likeness, that is independent of the school paying a player. If memory serves, trying to limit NIL is what cost the NCAA all this settlement money in the first place.
The issue is both NIL and unlimited transfers with no playing time consequences.
The issue is both NIL and unlimited transfers with no playing time consequences.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:34 am to CDawson
Revenue share is completely separate from NIL
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:35 am to mdomingue
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NIL is not part of an employment contract.
That’s why I said nil/profit sharing. Call the funding whatever you want, until the portal madness is closed this won’t end well. That’s the point of the post. The payer has to have some sort of recourse over the payee or it cannot work.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:36 am to Jack Daniel
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Revenue share is completely separate from NIL
Great, now address the madness of the portal and the complete inability of the athletic departments or coaching staff to manage the roster. Therein lies the real problem.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:36 am to mdomingue
Athletic departments about to start shedding some salaries
No way it’s sustainable if fans get apathetic and stop attending, they gonna miss that ticket revenue when the cost to attend falls on the fanbase
No way it’s sustainable if fans get apathetic and stop attending, they gonna miss that ticket revenue when the cost to attend falls on the fanbase
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:36 am to CDawson
I suspect you will start seeing programs contract directly with the athletes. Trying to lock them down for 3 years or shorter terms with prohibitive buyouts for transfers. It wont shut the portal down but it will diminish it significantly.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:38 am to Finch
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If the ncaa put a max in NIL annual payments to players with the unpaid portion awarded upon graduation from that school it would help a ton
Lmao there is no way they could legally do this
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:39 am to CDawson
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The payer has to have some sort of recourse over the payee or it cannot work.
I agree with this, but that has been limited by the NCAA's wording for NIL. If a company can limit the money based on what team they pay for, it makes some sense, but it is up to that company on whether they set it up for payment before, during, or after the player season.
I think we mostly agree that there needs to be some better methodology, I'm just not sure how to legally get there in a way that the MCAA or the colleges themselves can live with.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:39 am to figpole
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I suspect you will start seeing programs contract directly with the athletes. Trying to lock them down for 3 years or shorter terms with prohibitive buyouts for transfers. It wont shut the portal down but it will diminish it significantly.
Another good idea. Anything to stabilize player movement has to happen.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:40 am to nicholastiger
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No way it’s sustainable if fans get apathetic and stop attending, they gonna miss that ticket revenue when the cost to attend falls on the fanbase
Fans have been threatening to do this for years and yet athletic department revenues keep going up
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:44 am to LSBoosie
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Fans have been threatening to do this for years and yet athletic department revenues keep going up
I would think the vast majority of revenue increases have not come from the fan base buying tickets but instead from media/advertisement.
I’d venture to say the departments get a smaller percentage of revenue from the general fan base today than ever. It’s top heavy with bigger donors while the “ticket holder only” revenue continues to shrink.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:45 am to CDawson
After the judgement yesterday, I think we are on our way to player contracts which should stop the current free agent model
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:48 am to Jack Daniel
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After the judgement yesterday, I think we are on our way to player contracts which should stop the current free agent model
Yep, amateurism died with another court ruling.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:54 am to CDawson
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I would think the vast majority of revenue increases have not come from the fan base buying tickets but instead from media/advertisement.
I agree. I’m just saying people have been saying “these schools are going to feel it when fans start boycotting and stop buying tickets” for years and it has yet to happen.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 9:56 am to CDawson
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Profit sharing, paying or splitting revenue is the easy part.
How many programs actually make a profit? Less than 10? Will it be conference profits?
Majority of schools pray to get a golden major P5 OOC travel ticket to get beat up and to pay for that years AD expenses.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:01 am to CDawson
You don’t understand what led to the current situation at a fundamental level. You’re talking about all of this as if it’s a rule book the NCAA can vote to change, that approach is what got them here. The portal and the money are tied together, because the courts ruled the NCAA never had the authority to limit them in the first place. The only way anything changes is if the players unionize and collectively bargain, and I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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