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Political bias aside

Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:01 am
Posted by Bronson2017
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2019
2120 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:01 am
How is the economy really doing? Everywhere I turn there is some sort of spin and half truth on how it’s really going. Is there a website you all follow for an unbiased take on how the economy is currently doing and future outlook?

I’m tired of getting economic info through a Republican or Democrat filter.

This is not a snooty post, I am genuinely asking.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38341 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:11 am to
There are a few data points I really lean into in trying to understand the macroeconomic climate.

1. The real inflation rate - Truflation

2. What the bond market is doing or not doing

3.Understand the true unemployment rate (this is the hardest to grasp). You have to start with the published rate and then break down who is in and who is out of the labor force. Then break it down further to look at U1-U6 (like a rating system of the kind of work people have/want)

Chatgpt can explain the 3rd point much better than I can.

Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
18529 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:22 am to
quote:

How is the economy really doing?

Just anecdotal but every time I read something it is about layoffs and people saying the labor market is tight. Job numbers have been looking good but they finagle those. If I had to guess most of those jobs are not quality jobs.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30177 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:32 am to
I think the reason seem so schizophrenic is because there are so many different factors affecting sectors differently. Now that prices are starting to settle after horrible inflation, businesses are making decisions regarding what they look like in light of new costs/prices. Some industries are being heavily affected by AI fever. Some industries have been heavily affected by the on again off again nature of the tariffs. Then you have the true bias bits that come into play, like trumpeting Hooters closing restaurants as though that’s indicative of anything. But if you ignore that silliness, you’re still left with a lot of push/pull that will take a minute to sort itself out.
Posted by Penn
Jax Beach
Member since Jan 2008
23584 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:48 am to
solid post
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4304 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:59 am to
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How is the economy really doing


It sucks.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77266 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:10 am to
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Political bias aside




Good luck with that. This isn’t the 90’s anymore.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24752 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 10:13 am to
Economic measures are solid but consumer sentiment is poor especially for the bottom half of income bracket. That’s basically it.

Unknowns from tariffs, regulatory environment creating a lot of noise and variance in the system which causes a bit of skepticism and paralysis in the immediate term.

As long as earnings can stay good and unemployment doesn’t spike, then things are fine.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55823 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:06 am to
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Is there a website you all follow for an unbiased take on how the economy is currently doing and future outlook?


Here's some data you might want to look at:

Inflation - CPI & PCE These give you an idea of price changes and how that's impacting consumer spending. Along with that we also have PPI to show inflation on the producer end (which doesn't move exactly with PCE nor CPI, but can give an idea of what may be coming to consumer prices 30-60 days ahead).

Employment - Initial Jobless Claims & Continuing Jobless Claims - these are for people on Unemployment insurance so you should also look at U3 and U6 unemployment rates to get a better gauge of what's going on than any single chart.

Consumer debt - Consumer Debt, which measures credit cards and other revolving loans along with Credit Card Interest Rates, Credit Card Delinquency Rate (which doesn't break the delinquencies down by timeframe or credit rating, those take a bit more digging to hunt up but generally aren't updated as often) and Delinquency Rate on Single-Family Residential Mortgages can give a bit of a view into the fiscal health of the consumer. More debt means a greater chance for delinquencies to increase.

If you're wanting to take another step into the debt area: Charge-Off Rate on All Loans, All Commercial Banks, or you can refine that down a bit by looking at something like Charge-Off Rate on Credit Card Loans, All Commercial Banks

If you want to start getting into the weeds a bit, you can look at Money:
Real M1 (to account for inflation) and Real M2 (which includes the liquid money from M1 but also includes near-liquid things like savings deposits, CDs, retail money market mutual funds, etc) to get an idea of how much money is entering or leaving the economy, and then the velocity of M1 and velocity of M2 to see (roughly) how fast a given Dollar is being used (lower velocity essentially means less spending).

Looking at how those things are trending should give you an idea of how the economy is doing without the spin of some media agency.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59187 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:23 am to
Its just flat. I dont think alot of the needle movers know what to do with the on again off again tariff threats, money is pretty expensive right now for small to mid size businesses. I would imagine M and A is pretty lean right now. We will need some clarity regarding tariffs in the next year and if we see interest tick down you will see a nice run. I dont trust many numbers put out, but inflation is staying in check and that has been helpful.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3601 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:05 pm to
Uncertain is the best word I could choose.

But what I would urge people to remember is that as bad as it is or could be here in the United States, it’s almost certainly much worse everywhere else.

The drums of war are beginning to beat in Europe - as the bank of London/Davis/Dutch Bankers/whatever you want to label them - have set their eyes on Russia. Europes debt levels are unsustainable(as are ours) but their bonds and currency are shite relative to the US options. Capital has been fleeing to safer shores - just look at their gold.

China is facing the specter of tariffs, and is also encountering difficulties in their attempts to transform from a primarily manufacturing-based economy into a more balanced one.

I think that whatever unfolds that the United States has a much better chance of coming out on top vs the rest.

Posted by IMSA_Fan
Member since Jul 2024
282 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 4:14 am to
The direction of the economy right now is closely tied to the outcome of ongoing trade wars. In this climate of uncertainty, businesses are holding back on major investments, banks are hesitant to lend, and consumers appear cautious—saving rather than spending. Yet it’s precisely investment and consumer spending that fuel GDP growth. Significant economic growth will not occur in this climate of major on-again / off-again tax policy.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 4:16 am
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