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They need to just call South Africa's bluff
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:49 pm
All the South African whites just need to leave en masse and lets see how maintained and developed that area stays in the next 5-10 years.
I asked AI this: If all the whites in South Africa were exiled and the farms, land, and residents were taken over by the ethnic groups there. What do you surmise would happen over the next 10 years?
Answer: Immediate Aftermath (Years 0–2)
Economic Disruption: White South Africans, while a minority (about 7.3% of the population, or roughly 4.5 million people based on 2025 estimates), own significant portions of productive agricultural land and hold key roles in industries, finance, and technical sectors. Their sudden exile would likely cause a collapse in agricultural output, as seen in Zimbabwe post-2000 land reforms, where commercial farming plummeted due to lack of expertise and capital. South Africa’s GDP, already strained (projected at $400 billion in 2025), could contract sharply, potentially by 20–30%, as exports like citrus, wine, and maize falter.
Social Instability: The redistribution of land and property would likely spark intense competition among ethnic groups (e.g., Zulu, Xhosa, Sotho, and others). Historical tensions, such as those between Zulu and Xhosa or between ethnic groups and migrant communities, could escalate without a unifying governance structure. Violence over land allocation, as seen in post-colonial land grabs elsewhere, is probable. Urban areas, where white-owned businesses and homes are concentrated, might face looting or squatting.
Governance Crisis: The government, likely led by the ANC or a coalition, would struggle to manage the redistribution process. Corruption, already a significant issue (South Africa ranks 70th on the Corruption Perceptions Index), could worsen as political elites vie for control of valuable assets. The state’s capacity to maintain law and order, already stretched (e.g., 45,000 murders annually), would be overwhelmed, potentially leading to localized militias or warlordism.
International Reaction: The exile of millions would trigger global condemnation, sanctions, and a refugee crisis. Western nations, particularly those with historical ties like the UK and Netherlands, might impose trade restrictions, further crippling the economy. Foreign investment, already low (FDI at $5 billion annually), would dry up. Neighboring countries like Botswana and Namibia could face destabilization from refugee inflows or cross-border tensions.
Medium Term (Years 3–5)
Agricultural Decline: South Africa’s commercial agriculture, a cornerstone of its economy (contributing 10% to GDP), would likely mirror Zimbabwe’s trajectory, where land reform led to a 60% drop in output. Without skilled farmers, access to global markets, or capital for inputs like fertilizers, food production could plummet. Urban food shortages and inflation (already 5–7% annually) could spike, with staple prices doubling or tripling. Malnutrition and poverty (already affecting 55% of the population) would worsen.
Ethnic Fragmentation: The absence of a common “other” (white South Africans) might deepen ethnic divisions. Political parties like the EFF or IFP, with strong ethnic bases, could gain influence, potentially leading to regional autonomy movements. The Western Cape, historically diverse, might resist centralized control, risking secessionist tensions. Crime rates, already among the world’s highest, would likely surge as economic desperation grows.
Economic Reorientation: With Western markets closed due to sanctions, South Africa might pivot to BRICS allies like China and Russia for trade and aid. However, these partnerships often come with strings attached, such as resource extraction deals, which could deepen dependency. The rand, already volatile (R18–20 to USD in 2025), might collapse, fueling hyperinflation.
Brain Drain and Skills Gap: The exile of white professionals (doctors, engineers, etc.) would exacerbate the existing skills shortage. For example, South Africa already faces a doctor-to-patient ratio of 0.8 per 1,000, compared to 2.5 in developed nations. Healthcare and infrastructure maintenance would deteriorate, leading to public health crises and failing utilities (e.g., Eskom-style power cuts worsening).
Long Term (Years 6–10)
Potential Stabilization or Fragmentation: Two divergent paths emerge:
Stabilization: If a strong, inclusive government emerges, it could gradually rebuild agriculture and the economy by training new farmers, securing foreign aid, and reconciling ethnic groups. Land reform, if managed equitably, could empower rural communities, though productivity would take decades to recover to pre-exile levels. Urban centers might stabilize as new economic models (e.g., informal markets or Chinese-backed industries) take root.
Fragmentation: Persistent ethnic rivalries and weak governance could lead to de facto regionalism or civil conflict. South Africa might resemble Somalia in the 1990s, with power concentrated in local strongholds. Resource-rich areas (e.g., Gauteng’s mines) could become battlegrounds, while poorer regions like the Eastern Cape languish.
Social Transformation: A decade of black ownership could foster a new national identity, but only if education and economic opportunities improve. Without investment in schools (only 20% of public schools are adequately resourced), inequality would persist, fueling resentment. Youth unemployment, already 60% for those under 25, could drive crime or emigration, hollowing out the workforce.
Geopolitical Shifts: South Africa’s role as a regional powerhouse would diminish. Neighbors like Nigeria or Kenya might fill the vacuum in African leadership. China’s influence could grow, with ports like Durban becoming hubs for Belt and Road initiatives, but at the cost of sovereignty. The diaspora of exiled whites, likely resettled in Australia, Europe, or North America, might form a vocal lobby, complicating South Africa’s global relations.
Conclusion
The most likely outcome is a decade of severe economic decline, social unrest, and ethnic tension, with a partial recovery possible only if governance improves and external support is secured. Agricultural output could drop by 50–70%, GDP by 30–40%, and poverty could engulf 70% of the population. While a unified, prosperous South Africa is theoretically possible, the immediate chaos and structural challenges make fragmentation and hardship more probable. Parallels to Zimbabwe’s land reforms, adjusted for South Africa’s more urbanized and diverse economy, suggest a turbulent transition with no quick resolution.
I asked AI this: If all the whites in South Africa were exiled and the farms, land, and residents were taken over by the ethnic groups there. What do you surmise would happen over the next 10 years?
Answer: Immediate Aftermath (Years 0–2)
Economic Disruption: White South Africans, while a minority (about 7.3% of the population, or roughly 4.5 million people based on 2025 estimates), own significant portions of productive agricultural land and hold key roles in industries, finance, and technical sectors. Their sudden exile would likely cause a collapse in agricultural output, as seen in Zimbabwe post-2000 land reforms, where commercial farming plummeted due to lack of expertise and capital. South Africa’s GDP, already strained (projected at $400 billion in 2025), could contract sharply, potentially by 20–30%, as exports like citrus, wine, and maize falter.
Social Instability: The redistribution of land and property would likely spark intense competition among ethnic groups (e.g., Zulu, Xhosa, Sotho, and others). Historical tensions, such as those between Zulu and Xhosa or between ethnic groups and migrant communities, could escalate without a unifying governance structure. Violence over land allocation, as seen in post-colonial land grabs elsewhere, is probable. Urban areas, where white-owned businesses and homes are concentrated, might face looting or squatting.
Governance Crisis: The government, likely led by the ANC or a coalition, would struggle to manage the redistribution process. Corruption, already a significant issue (South Africa ranks 70th on the Corruption Perceptions Index), could worsen as political elites vie for control of valuable assets. The state’s capacity to maintain law and order, already stretched (e.g., 45,000 murders annually), would be overwhelmed, potentially leading to localized militias or warlordism.
International Reaction: The exile of millions would trigger global condemnation, sanctions, and a refugee crisis. Western nations, particularly those with historical ties like the UK and Netherlands, might impose trade restrictions, further crippling the economy. Foreign investment, already low (FDI at $5 billion annually), would dry up. Neighboring countries like Botswana and Namibia could face destabilization from refugee inflows or cross-border tensions.
Medium Term (Years 3–5)
Agricultural Decline: South Africa’s commercial agriculture, a cornerstone of its economy (contributing 10% to GDP), would likely mirror Zimbabwe’s trajectory, where land reform led to a 60% drop in output. Without skilled farmers, access to global markets, or capital for inputs like fertilizers, food production could plummet. Urban food shortages and inflation (already 5–7% annually) could spike, with staple prices doubling or tripling. Malnutrition and poverty (already affecting 55% of the population) would worsen.
Ethnic Fragmentation: The absence of a common “other” (white South Africans) might deepen ethnic divisions. Political parties like the EFF or IFP, with strong ethnic bases, could gain influence, potentially leading to regional autonomy movements. The Western Cape, historically diverse, might resist centralized control, risking secessionist tensions. Crime rates, already among the world’s highest, would likely surge as economic desperation grows.
Economic Reorientation: With Western markets closed due to sanctions, South Africa might pivot to BRICS allies like China and Russia for trade and aid. However, these partnerships often come with strings attached, such as resource extraction deals, which could deepen dependency. The rand, already volatile (R18–20 to USD in 2025), might collapse, fueling hyperinflation.
Brain Drain and Skills Gap: The exile of white professionals (doctors, engineers, etc.) would exacerbate the existing skills shortage. For example, South Africa already faces a doctor-to-patient ratio of 0.8 per 1,000, compared to 2.5 in developed nations. Healthcare and infrastructure maintenance would deteriorate, leading to public health crises and failing utilities (e.g., Eskom-style power cuts worsening).
Long Term (Years 6–10)
Potential Stabilization or Fragmentation: Two divergent paths emerge:
Stabilization: If a strong, inclusive government emerges, it could gradually rebuild agriculture and the economy by training new farmers, securing foreign aid, and reconciling ethnic groups. Land reform, if managed equitably, could empower rural communities, though productivity would take decades to recover to pre-exile levels. Urban centers might stabilize as new economic models (e.g., informal markets or Chinese-backed industries) take root.
Fragmentation: Persistent ethnic rivalries and weak governance could lead to de facto regionalism or civil conflict. South Africa might resemble Somalia in the 1990s, with power concentrated in local strongholds. Resource-rich areas (e.g., Gauteng’s mines) could become battlegrounds, while poorer regions like the Eastern Cape languish.
Social Transformation: A decade of black ownership could foster a new national identity, but only if education and economic opportunities improve. Without investment in schools (only 20% of public schools are adequately resourced), inequality would persist, fueling resentment. Youth unemployment, already 60% for those under 25, could drive crime or emigration, hollowing out the workforce.
Geopolitical Shifts: South Africa’s role as a regional powerhouse would diminish. Neighbors like Nigeria or Kenya might fill the vacuum in African leadership. China’s influence could grow, with ports like Durban becoming hubs for Belt and Road initiatives, but at the cost of sovereignty. The diaspora of exiled whites, likely resettled in Australia, Europe, or North America, might form a vocal lobby, complicating South Africa’s global relations.
Conclusion
The most likely outcome is a decade of severe economic decline, social unrest, and ethnic tension, with a partial recovery possible only if governance improves and external support is secured. Agricultural output could drop by 50–70%, GDP by 30–40%, and poverty could engulf 70% of the population. While a unified, prosperous South Africa is theoretically possible, the immediate chaos and structural challenges make fragmentation and hardship more probable. Parallels to Zimbabwe’s land reforms, adjusted for South Africa’s more urbanized and diverse economy, suggest a turbulent transition with no quick resolution.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:50 pm to SaintsReportExile
It pretty much already happened in Rhodesia.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:50 pm to SaintsReportExile
My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:51 pm to SaintsReportExile
I’ve wondered about that, but I know that there are a lot of people with a lot of money invested into what made that country work well.
Money and time. It’s not gonna be that easy just to leave, but I would probably want to leave if I were a white South African at this time.
Money and time. It’s not gonna be that easy just to leave, but I would probably want to leave if I were a white South African at this time.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:52 pm to TheWalrus
well where does Einstein want to run to?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:53 pm to SaintsReportExile
They are patriots.
They don't want to leave their land, and property.
They don't want to leave their land, and property.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:53 pm to Vacherie Saint
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It pretty much already happened in Jackson
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:54 pm to TheWalrus
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My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
Let’s see how things work out for him.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:54 pm to TheWalrus
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My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
TDS, if not treated early, can be lethal.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:54 pm to TheWalrus
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My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
Mean tweets vs “Kill the Boer!”
Your cousin isn’t very smart.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:55 pm to SaintsReportExile
They'll beg for foreign aid
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:58 pm to TheWalrus
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My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
He doesn’t count.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:02 pm to SaintsReportExile
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All the South African whites just need to leave en masse and lets see how maintained and developed that area stays in the next 5-10 years
Like India? Fourth largest GDP in the world ..amazingly they accomplished this without being controlled by the British
This notion that countries would just waste away when controlled by Black or Brown people is crazy
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:09 pm to TheWalrus
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My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
Your family has bad genes.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:12 pm to Vacherie Saint
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It pretty much already happened in Rhodesia
For real... thats a lot of typing when you could just say "look at Rhodesia for an example". It's the exact same thing happening again.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:12 pm to MrBiriwa
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Like India. This notion that countries would just waste away when controlled by Black or Brown people is crazy
Don't cherry pick, the number of successful countries, prove you are wrong.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:13 pm to TheWalrus
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My cousin who lives there would never move to the US, thinks Trump is awful.
Can't wait to hear what he thinks about the black mob hacking him to pieces with rusty machetes
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:15 pm to MrBiriwa
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This notion that countries would just waste away when controlled by Black or Brown people is crazy
Tell me you've never been to Africa without telling me you've never been to Africa...
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:15 pm to MrBiriwa
We’re not talking about Indians, we’re talking about straight up Africans.
Apples and oranges. History destroys your argument.
Apples and oranges. History destroys your argument.
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