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re: LSU USC 1979 False Start on Facemask Play
Posted on 1/20/09 at 6:45 am to tigger1
Posted on 1/20/09 at 6:45 am to tigger1
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Not sure, why do you ask?
Because if you wrote one, I would read the hell out of it. Historical information can get easily lost in the constant bumping of threads, and you seem to uncover a lot of really interesting stuff.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 8:43 am to LSUTANGERINE
Thanks, now shut the hell up about your facemask Strange part of that play is that the two offensive linemen that moved early wound up double teaming Benji (the guy who was called for the facemask.) Without that early movement, Benji might have killed Mcdonald in the backfield.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 8:50 am to tigger1
Gajan was hurt in the 1st quarter of the USC game and did not return. I do not recall a play where he was tackled from the bench, but it's been a while.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 9:28 am to LSU92
That call was the biggest rip off ever by an official. LSU won that game, the official just didn't want it to happen, for what ever reason.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 9:52 am to LSU92
Damn, clear as a bell, Right guard,good work 92. Myth is fact, play should mave been stopped. Damn Tangerine, fou look like a fool
Posted on 1/20/09 at 10:00 am to cheapseat
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Vince Young's knee was clearly down in the 2006 Rose Bowl, but you don't hear me bitching about it.
You just did.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 10:12 am to LSU92
Sickening then watching it live in TS as watching it now on video...USC knows they stole that game and the PAC refs, just like the SEC refs, are just as bad then as they are now...
Posted on 1/20/09 at 10:22 am to cheapseat
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Myth is fact, play should mave been stopped. Damn Tangerine, fou look like a fool
Facemask still stil a myth. The lore through the years is that Benji did not grab or get his fingers in the mask, but just bareyly brushed it, if even that. Not sure how this makes me look bad, as I have stated numerous times that I did not dispute nor support any movement, b/c I did not see it.
Move on now.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 10:59 am to loweralabamatrojan
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but you don't hear me bitching about it.
Neither are we!
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:05 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Move on now.
Aren't you the one that re-started this whole thing?
I was there. Still one of the greatest games I have ever attended, even thought we got robbed.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:11 am to mikedatyger
Wow!
Look how much progress we are making. There was movement on the line. There was a face mask penalty. The facemask was called. The Procedure was not.
Either way, most LSU fans fondly remember a very game effort from an outmanned LSU football team that made them proud to be LSU fans.
GO TIGERS
Look how much progress we are making. There was movement on the line. There was a face mask penalty. The facemask was called. The Procedure was not.
Either way, most LSU fans fondly remember a very game effort from an outmanned LSU football team that made them proud to be LSU fans.
GO TIGERS
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:12 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Well, that IS the way it looked on radio.
he lore through the years is that Benji did not grab or get his fingers in the mask, but just bareyly brushed it, if even that.
Thanks again for posting the vid.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:14 am to mikedatyger
quote:
Aren't you the one that re-started this whole thing?
ACtually no. It was brought up repeatedly in the In Never Rains in Tiger stadium thread and I responded. Based on the number of responses, the topic obviously deserved a thread of its own.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:15 am to NC_Tigah
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Well, that IS the way it looked on radio.
Nice.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:19 am to LSUTANGERINE
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the topic obviously deserved a thread of its own.
Obviously.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 11:45 am to tigger1
What type of work are you doing on the 1915 team?
Posted on 1/20/09 at 12:15 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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This sounds kinda Hokie to me.
Can you post a link? We have plenty of time, it's a long off-season.
It's widely known by knowledgeable LSU football fans that USC FB Ricky Johnson came off the bench without his helmet to tackle LSU QB Woodley. It wasn't flagged.
The incident is recounted on page 364 of "50 Years of College Football":
LINK
Scroll to page 364. It is in the column on the right under the games played on September 29, 1979.
As for LSUTANGERINE, you can now clearly see that the play should have been called dead on the false start, which would have lead to a 3rd and 14 that USC would have been hard pressed to convert under those circumstances in that atmosphere.
So, uh, "KABOOM." Dork.
And by the way, if you had bothered to actually read a book or two on college football rather than mindlessly trolling the internet, you would have known that Benji Thibodeaux already conceded, long ago, that his hand was on the facemask of McDonald. On page 22 of "Game of My Life," he states:
"When I reached out to grab him, his head moved and MY HAND GRAZED HIS FACEMASK." (emphasis added)
LINK
Your video (which many of us had already seen - it isn't some revelatory, newly discovered Rosetta Stone) confirms that his hand was on the mask. But the critical question, the only question that mattters, the only question that has mattered for thirty years is: did he graze or did he grasp? The 1979 facemask rule (which didn't distinguish between incidental and major facemask penalties) stated that a penalty only occured if a player "grasped" the facemask.
In any event, your arrogant post was distasteful and clearly evidenced that you didn't fully appreciate the long history of the debate.
This post was edited on 1/20/09 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/20/09 at 12:24 pm to tigger1
If they call the grounding then the penalties offset and the replay the down. So both blown calls for USC sucked. I was on the sideline and it was plain as day.
Posted on 1/20/09 at 12:26 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Noone on here was talking about it until LSUTangerine (USC) brought it up.
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