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I'm not sure our recruiting philosophy has changed as much as people seem to think
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:17 pm
I've seen a lot of commentary over the past couple weeks about how Kelly & company may have rethought the strategy about building the roster through high school recruiting. When I look at the number of transfers we've taken over the past few years, this window (so far) does not look like a massive difference at first glance. I was curious what some of the numbers looked like across the SEC, particularly how the number of transfers per class varied between different SEC programs.
Here is what I came up with:
The graph above shows the range of transfer class sizes for each SEC school, from 2022-2025. So the top of each bar represents the maximum number of transfers taken in a class, while the bottom of each bar represents the smallest number of transfers taken in a class. The horizontal dash is the (current) number of transfer commitments in the 2025 class.
The teams are sorted by average number of transfer commitments per class, from 2022-2025.
The reason I started looking into this was curiosity about whether LSU's actions in the portal this year discount any of Kelly's previous statements about wanting to build the roster through high school recruiting. After putting together the graph above, I realized that it doesn't really tell you much because the number of high school recruits also changes year-to-year and school-to-school.
The following graph attempts to address that by plotting the number of transfers as a percent of the total signing class, rather than a raw number. Again, they are sorted based on average %transfer from 2022-2025:
A few conclusions that stood out to me:
1. I think what we see here is that with few exceptions, the numbers are all over the place. Some of those ranges are really wide.
2. I think LSU has been somewhat middle-of-the-pack in the SEC in terms of both number of transfers taken each year and % transfers in each class, regardless of Kelly's comments about building through HS recruiting. We certainly took less transfers last year (the fewest since Kelly has been at LSU) but even then, they still made up over 20% of our signing class. In other words, I don't think Kelly has been nearly as transfer-averse as his comments might have indicated.
3. I don't think the numbers this year are a massive deviation from what we've seen in the past 3 years, certainly when you compare the variance among our classes with the rest of the conference.
4. My personal opinion is that last year was the outlier more than this year. Some of it was probably due to the ongoing defensive staff changes during the winter portal window. Some was probably due to overestimating the amount of talent that would be available in the spring window. Some of it may have simply been due to NIL availability at the time.
5. One thing worth mentioning - the 2025 cycle is still ongoing. So if we take another 10 guys between now and summer that's obviously going to change my outlook a bit.
Take it or leave it, just thought some folks around here might be interested in some of the numbers above.

Here is what I came up with:

The graph above shows the range of transfer class sizes for each SEC school, from 2022-2025. So the top of each bar represents the maximum number of transfers taken in a class, while the bottom of each bar represents the smallest number of transfers taken in a class. The horizontal dash is the (current) number of transfer commitments in the 2025 class.
The teams are sorted by average number of transfer commitments per class, from 2022-2025.
The reason I started looking into this was curiosity about whether LSU's actions in the portal this year discount any of Kelly's previous statements about wanting to build the roster through high school recruiting. After putting together the graph above, I realized that it doesn't really tell you much because the number of high school recruits also changes year-to-year and school-to-school.
The following graph attempts to address that by plotting the number of transfers as a percent of the total signing class, rather than a raw number. Again, they are sorted based on average %transfer from 2022-2025:

A few conclusions that stood out to me:
1. I think what we see here is that with few exceptions, the numbers are all over the place. Some of those ranges are really wide.
2. I think LSU has been somewhat middle-of-the-pack in the SEC in terms of both number of transfers taken each year and % transfers in each class, regardless of Kelly's comments about building through HS recruiting. We certainly took less transfers last year (the fewest since Kelly has been at LSU) but even then, they still made up over 20% of our signing class. In other words, I don't think Kelly has been nearly as transfer-averse as his comments might have indicated.
3. I don't think the numbers this year are a massive deviation from what we've seen in the past 3 years, certainly when you compare the variance among our classes with the rest of the conference.
4. My personal opinion is that last year was the outlier more than this year. Some of it was probably due to the ongoing defensive staff changes during the winter portal window. Some was probably due to overestimating the amount of talent that would be available in the spring window. Some of it may have simply been due to NIL availability at the time.
5. One thing worth mentioning - the 2025 cycle is still ongoing. So if we take another 10 guys between now and summer that's obviously going to change my outlook a bit.
Take it or leave it, just thought some folks around here might be interested in some of the numbers above.


Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:21 pm to lostinbr
Before the rantards get here, thank you for your effort and research. I think the difference really lies in the quality of players we got this year. We seem to be aiming for more higher end starters whereas previous years we took depth/fringe-starters
Posted on 12/30/24 at 2:41 pm to lostinbr
Couple things
1. Impressive post, either your retired and need a hobby or your on vacation and need to find a hobby. LOL
2. Yes what BK said was we are going to be more aggressive in the portal because we have the $$ to spend. Initially I believe he said about 12 portal guys which has moved up to 15ish.
3. Yep I up voted the Wendy’s post. Funny arse shite.
1. Impressive post, either your retired and need a hobby or your on vacation and need to find a hobby. LOL
2. Yes what BK said was we are going to be more aggressive in the portal because we have the $$ to spend. Initially I believe he said about 12 portal guys which has moved up to 15ish.
3. Yep I up voted the Wendy’s post. Funny arse shite.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 4:40 pm to lostinbr
Remember we've lost a huge chunk on 2023 guys and our 2022 class was nonexistent. If he gets 3rd year or higher players I'm not gonna say he's ditching HS players. We need experience and especially if BK wants to compete next year.
I would make a graph for how much of each class we've lost and lineup what class or year we're replacing
I would make a graph for how much of each class we've lost and lineup what class or year we're replacing
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:57 pm to lostinbr
The graph shows the top ranked programs have fewer transfers
10% range in playoffs and SEC title game versus 30 to 40% range missing playoffs
Bama is outlier with new coach
10% range in playoffs and SEC title game versus 30 to 40% range missing playoffs
Bama is outlier with new coach
Posted on 12/31/24 at 6:45 am to USAFTiger42
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Remember we've lost a huge chunk on 2023 guys and our 2022 class was nonexistent.
This. I think less than 15 players remain from the '22 and '23 signing classes (out of 42 high school signees). Those two classes represent your Upperclassmen on the '25 team. I'm not sure if this represents a change in overall philosophy or if this year's approach was born more out of necessity. We were not fielding a team in '25 that could realistically make the playoffs without hitting the transfer portal very hard.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:12 am to lostinbr
Excellent post, much more interesting than the typical shitposting.
One comment RE the second graph (%of class that are transfers). The teams on the lower end such as Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee were the most successful this year
One comment RE the second graph (%of class that are transfers). The teams on the lower end such as Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee were the most successful this year

Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:52 pm to molsusports
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One comment RE the second graph (%of class that are transfers). The teams on the lower end such as Georgia, Texas, and Tennessee were the most successful this year
I noticed that as well, but I’m not ready to say that it’s meaningful.
Here is another graph I posted in a previous thread about strength of schedule in the SEC:

The most successful teams in the conference, with the exception of UGA, were those with the easiest schedules. My opinion is that schedule was a much bigger factor than recruiting strategy for those teams.
That being said, it does make some logical sense that schools who don’t have to take a ton of transfers would be more successful. The idea being that if you have fewer holes to plug, it’s probably a sign that you feel good about your depth/roster going into the year.
If I get time I might do a similar graph for SEC win% vs. average %transfers. I suspect it would be much noisier than the one for strength of schedule.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 4:24 pm to lostinbr
Like Dabo from Clemson said,
he doesn't believe there are many, if any, players in the portal that are better than he players. I look forward to the day when LSU can say that honestly.
he doesn't believe there are many, if any, players in the portal that are better than he players. I look forward to the day when LSU can say that honestly.
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