- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
David Griffin and Willie Green - Is this their fault?
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:17 pm
Idk about y'all but I really like the team that Willie and Griff built.
With the emergence of Missi, this team if they were healthy had a high likelihood of being a top 4 seed.
Murray
Herb
BI
Zion
Missi
CJ
Murphy
Hawkins
Jose
Theis
Boston
That is a really good fricking team.
I see all this talk of fire Willie and am just confused how 6/8 of your best players being out and expecting to win with a G-League roster is reasonable to ask of any coach.
Willie has the correct qualities to be a winner. The whole roster believes in him and he brings out the best in his players. Herb, Jose and Trey all resigning below their market prices to be a part of this is a perfect reflection of the culture he's built. Yeah, it ended poorly with Z going down last year but we were still a playoff team.
And for Griff. WTF did some of y'all want him to do. The Murray deal seemed like a great move til he broke his hand day 1. How is that Griff's fault. He sured up the PG spot, resigned Trey and Jose, drafted our potentially starting C for the next good while. What could he have possibly make Zion more healthy. And the one guy we were clamoring to trade away is the only mfer out there fighting.
Gonna certainly be interesting to see, but this is an extremely unlucky personnel issue. Sometimes things aren't always fair, but really hope the organization doesn't destroy everything that's been building. This team when healthy can be really really good.
Am I the only one here who doesn't think we have to blow it up?
With the emergence of Missi, this team if they were healthy had a high likelihood of being a top 4 seed.
Murray
Herb
BI
Zion
Missi
CJ
Murphy
Hawkins
Jose
Theis
Boston
That is a really good fricking team.
I see all this talk of fire Willie and am just confused how 6/8 of your best players being out and expecting to win with a G-League roster is reasonable to ask of any coach.
Willie has the correct qualities to be a winner. The whole roster believes in him and he brings out the best in his players. Herb, Jose and Trey all resigning below their market prices to be a part of this is a perfect reflection of the culture he's built. Yeah, it ended poorly with Z going down last year but we were still a playoff team.
And for Griff. WTF did some of y'all want him to do. The Murray deal seemed like a great move til he broke his hand day 1. How is that Griff's fault. He sured up the PG spot, resigned Trey and Jose, drafted our potentially starting C for the next good while. What could he have possibly make Zion more healthy. And the one guy we were clamoring to trade away is the only mfer out there fighting.
Gonna certainly be interesting to see, but this is an extremely unlucky personnel issue. Sometimes things aren't always fair, but really hope the organization doesn't destroy everything that's been building. This team when healthy can be really really good.
Am I the only one here who doesn't think we have to blow it up?
5
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:24 pm to aswemajor
quote:
Am I the only one here who doesn't think we have to blow it up?
Yes probably.
quote:
this team if they were healthy
They never are.
quote:
Willie has the correct qualities to be a winner. The whole roster believes in him and he brings out the best in his players.
We don’t know if they believe in him? And if this is Zion and BI best- hes failing at his job. He also struggles in rotations, in game adjustments, ATOs and just basic X and O basketball.
quote:
What could he have possibly make Zion more healthy.
Preached accountability from the beginning. I don’t blame Griffin on Zion too much. I do blame him in constructing a roster around two players who dont fit and have injury issues.
quote:
Sometimes things aren't always fair, but really hope the organization doesn't destroy everything that's been building. This team when healthy can be really really good.
What exactly are they building? They’ve regressed since losing in the first round in 6 games in Willie’s first year from a playoff standpoint. And again this team is NEVER HEALTHY.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:30 pm to Pels_Yaz
Sorry no link because I can remember the feed I read it form but apparently Gayle is not happy with the Pelicans product and is talking with sources about ways to making improvements.
Maybe she’s talking players like she did with the Saints.
Maybe she’s talking players like she did with the Saints.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
What exactly are they building? They’ve regressed since losing in the first round in 6 games in Willie’s first year from a playoff standpoint. And again this team is NEVER HEALTHY.
Felt like we've been building a positive culture built around defense and effort in a way I've never seen us have. He wants a roster of wings who can switch 1-5 on defense like the old golden state championship teams. He's made the post season even if that is the play-in in all 3 years.
I've been a fan and was there watching in the darkest of times. I remember hoping for Vasquez or QPon to have a career game for us to even have a fighting chance. CP and AD forcing their way out. Eric Gordon being the savior...
This rn sucks but it really isn't anywhere near that bad. We got a whole slew of frickin ballers who are also great locker room guys. I know everybody is impatient with the Saints being so arse as well and DA getting canned, but at least we got a a light at the end of the tunnel.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:19 pm to aswemajor
The positives are the guys like each other and Willie gets them to play hard most of the time. There is good players in the thick of the roster
The flip side of that is there is no internal
Accountability when your whole team is nice guys and the message from the gm is always straight out of a teenage female journal. There is no respect or fear .
No one takes responsibility and that stems from griffin’s approach from Day 1.
There was a brief period of time when the Pels were seen as an up and comer in the league . They have gone backwards and have become irrelevant .
The flip side of that is there is no internal
Accountability when your whole team is nice guys and the message from the gm is always straight out of a teenage female journal. There is no respect or fear .
No one takes responsibility and that stems from griffin’s approach from Day 1.
There was a brief period of time when the Pels were seen as an up and comer in the league . They have gone backwards and have become irrelevant .
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:21 pm to aswemajor
quote:
Felt like we've been building a positive culture built around defense and effort in a way I've never seen us have. He wants a roster of wings who can switch 1-5 on defense like the old golden state championship teams. He's made the post season even if that is the play-in in all 3 years.
I get it they play hard and have a defensive mindset. But the problem is they haven’t progressed from that. In the NBA world- teams such as the Thunder, Wolves, Pacers started their rebuild later and now are surpassing us. Making the play-in isn’t a huge accomplishment in the NBA. 10 out of 15 teams in the conference make the play-in.
quote:
This rn sucks but it really isn't anywhere near that bad. We got a whole slew of frickin ballers who are also great locker room guys. I know everybody is impatient with the Saints being so arse as well and DA getting canned, but at least we got a a light at the end of the tunnel.
I understand where you’re coming from. We have nice young talent especially in role player positions such as Herb, Hawkins, Trey and Missi. I think Dejounte was a good pickup. I agree with you on that.
The problem is in the NBA success is determined by your stars. And one star we didn’t resign and has efficiency issues while the other star has major injury issues, conditioning issues and reports are that he has severe maturity issues as well. If your stars aren’t on board- it really doesn’t matter how good your young role guys are.
I think thats the issue in regards to light at the end of the tunnel this team’s whole future is dependent on Zion and his star is fading fast.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:39 pm to aswemajor
Our executives and head coach are over cautious about injuries so they can avoid accountability by always having an excuse. It's an org that promotes a lazy mentality.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:22 pm to aswemajor
Willie and Griff aren't great at their jobs, but this current era of Pels basketball being disappointing begins and ends with Zion not becoming an All-NBA player.
He was supposed to be the cornerstone and he has crumbled.
He was supposed to be the cornerstone and he has crumbled.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 7:19 am to aswemajor
IMO Willie Green has reached his peak of coaching. He was able to get his team to compete and play hard but they now need more than that to win anything significant
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:09 am to aswemajor
quote:
David Griffin and Willie Green - Is this their fault?
Willie more than Griffin
As always, injuries are our issue. We traded for an ironman player and he literally gets hurt his first game with us. We are fricked by fate.
With a full squad for a normal amount of games, we're a top 4-6 team in the West. That just never happens (and never has, really, outside of a couple cp3/peja/chandler years).
*ETA: I'm not the biggest fan of Griffin but our team in theory is good and he re-signs our guys to reasonable deals. We just can't escape our curse.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 8:11 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:12 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
In the NBA world- teams such as the Thunder, Wolves, Pacers started their rebuild later
I mean the Thunder got SGA and we got Ingram.
The Wolves got Edwards and we got Zion.
The Pacers are in another group of teams. They more retooled and went all in and are in the East
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I mean the Thunder got SGA and we got Ingram. The Wolves got Edwards and we got Zion. The Pacers are in another group of teams. They more retooled and went all in and are in the East
Agreed. Still doesn’t change my point. Griffin bet on guys that didn’t become stars. Pacers also found their star in Hali.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I'm not the biggest fan of Griffin but our team in theory is good
In theory we basically went into the season without a center. I mean the guy he signed to be our starting center is already out of the rotation. And great Missi developed quickly but not sure that was part of the plan. I agree with you Willie is horrible but Griffin is just as bad.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:42 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
theory we basically went into the season without a center. I mean the guy he signed to be our starting center is already out of the rotation. And great Missi developed quickly but not sure that was part of the plan.
They could've made moves after the draft to sign a center. They really liked missi and they were right so why spend for another big? Griff nailed this team construction this offseason imo and zion and bad luck have fricked it.
If there is a tier list of blame it goes
Zion
Injury luck
Willie
Griff
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:06 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:
If there is a tier list of blame it goes
I don't know about this. I follow the money. To me, the blame goes..
Benson
Griffin
Zion
Ingram
Murray/McCollum
Jones/Murphy
Green
Rest of coaching staff
Rest of the team
Leadership and management share the blame for the structure and culture, which bred the injury situation (in addition to bad luck). The "stars" are the team and have to elevate everything around them..
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:44 am to brmark70816
quote:
Leadership and management share the blame for the structure and culture, which bred the injury situation (in addition to bad luck).
I have to agree with brmark on this. We built the structure of this team around one player who wasn’t extended (BI) and another one with bad conditioning and injury issues (Zion). Yes we been struck with injuries- could be bad luck- but in regards to Zion its just bad conditioning and who he is. Zion is just a bad conditioned and injured player.
Griff deserves credit for finding Missi and his rapid development is saving this team from being even worse. But Griff deserves blame for not adding a reliable vet at center- adding a guy like Theis- who is out of the rotation now- seems like a complete miss.
Regardless its all about the stars that Griff chose to build around. And those stars are failing. The ancillary pieces though have been great.
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News