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Jerusalem / Bethlehem 2 weeks in November

Posted on 9/21/24 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1500 posts
Posted on 9/21/24 at 9:10 pm
I saw this video and now I want to check out Jesus’s old stomping grounds.
Im probably going solo and Im not into guided tours.

Suggestions on lodging near the western wall or elsewhere would be appreciated.

Jerusalem at night walking video on YouTube
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13573 posts
Posted on 9/21/24 at 9:51 pm to
I’ll try and post something more compete tomorrow at a computer.

You want to stay someplace near Jaffa gate. It’s at the “top” of the old city. You don’t really want to stay near the gate closest to the western wall, it makes getting to the rest of the old city a bit of a pain. There is also less stuff to do/eat at that far south in comparison.

I presume you’re going to the mount of olives; don’t feel like a wimp taking a cab to the top. Be careful at the top, a few Arabs tend to hang around to target usually college girls and can be kind of creepy.

100% book the tour of the underground wall. If you want to just exit at the end, rather than retrace your steps, you get dumped out in the Muslim quarter. It’s fine, even during Ramadan. Place a map pin in your phone for the Austrian Mission. It’s near the exit, and the only place I’ve seen a toilet in the old city that doesn’t cause wretching noises. The mission is a must do, it’s at the bottom of the old city bowl and they have an observation tower, and sitting in the garden with some pastries and beers is just awesome.

I’ll look up the hotel close to Jaffa gate I stayed at the first time in the AM. There are things like the king David close by, but they can be expensive. Food is expensive, absolutely stuff your face at breakfast. The Marriott in TLV on the water has a huge buffet and a beautiful view of the water, and that’s always my gateway stop going and coming (TK and LH flights tend to land in the evening.
ETA: I also personally know two guides that know their shite that will take you 1:1, and they are GOOD. Both came from the US; H casually mentions she’s only been stabbed five times, J will tell you lots of stories at the end of the day if you buy him some whiskey. Fascinating, and H may invite you to a Seder.
This post was edited on 9/21/24 at 9:55 pm
Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3208 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 8:55 am to
One of the best solo trips I ever took. I could post a ton but a couple of quick tips. I stayed at the Austrian Hospice in the old city. It was perfect location wise to enjoy old city at night. Walking the streets pretty much alone at 2 am drunk through that maze is quite the adventure.

From Jerusalem hop in a cab or get a ride to the Dead Sea through the West Bank. Stop at Jericho on the way. It’s such a great trip. Enjoy.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2900 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 5:44 pm to
**I lived in Jerusalem for several years, so my perspective is less touristy and more local.

2 weeks is enough time to see the Old City, Bethlehem, Jericho/Dead Sea/Masada/Ein Gedi, and probably even run down to Eilat for a couple of days and up to Nazareth/Tiberias/Galilee for a couple of days.

J-Town/Old City/Bethlehem - 3 days
Jericho/Dead Sea/Masada/Ein Gedi - 2 days
Eilat - 2-3 days
Naz/Tib/Galilee - 3 days

Spend the last couple of days in Tel Aviv before your flight out.

Hotels/food are subjective and relative to budget, so I'll leave that to you. But I'll say this...

Be aware of your surroundings and do not treat it as a vacation to a western country. Jerusalem is very safe until it isn't. You don't need to be paranoid, but you DO need to pay attention to what's going on around you and avoid putting yourself in the wrong situation.

Especially with respect to the current situation and what it'll likely look like in 2 months, further along in the current conflict and post-US elections.

Jericho is technically West Bank, but it'll be relatively safe. Same with Bethlehem, although things still happen in there on occasion (its proximity to Jerusalem - it's directly adjacent - keeps it fairly calm).

Depending on where you go along the Jordan River Valley, you'll be in what's call the B-Zone. Not fully West Bank/A-Zone, but not Greenline Israel/C-Zone either. It's where Palis and Jewish "settlers" are mixed in - it's supposed to be A-Zone, but because of the settlers, the Israelis control civil administration. It can get sporty when Palis and settlers are pissed at each other and acting up.

If you go up near Galilee/Nazareth/Tiberias, that's in the North and Hezbollah is acting up in Lebanon. They typically focus their efforts elsewhere, but It's within Hez rocket/drone range and has been targeted recently.

In Jerusalem, the Embassy is in Arnona, so not super convenient to where you'll be spending most of your time (Old City, I presume). I'd recommend finding the old US Consulate on Agron St., just up the hill from Mammila/Jaffa Gate. It still houses Embassy staff for Pali Affairs, so it should be secure and should have some friendly faces. That would be my first "go to" option in the even the shite hits the fan while you're in/around the Old City.

In general, it's worth taking an extra hour first thing, right when you get to a new area, to do an Area Familiarization, so you have a place to go TO if/when needed. Look for places with security - hotels, government buildings, etc. It's easy to execute a plan than to make one on the fly, especially in a foreign country.

Relax and enjoy, for sure, but maintain awareness. Have fun.

Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13573 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 5:52 pm to
The "Dan Hotel" chain has some great looking properties. That'll get you around most of IL. The Eldan Hotel on 24 King David St. was super convenient. You walk down into the bowl of the old city. A number of families seem to stay there for Shabbat. I also stayed at the Dan Boutique on a later trip, where you walked down, then back up, before you went down again. I hope you're in shape either way. Be aware that if there are elevators, one will be set to Shabbat mode, where it stops on every floor (so the observant don't have to "operate" buttons.) The Austrian "mission" we're referring to is this hospice, and is absolutely required for your sanity. And for sure hit Yehuda market. During the day, it's like being in Las Ramblas in Barcelona, and at night, the bars take over many of the streets with seating all over.

I recommend the Dead Sea too, which you can do day tours from Jeru. However, those are the "show up at 0415 and get dropped off near midnight" in Jeru kind of events. You have enough time to make a 2-3 day trip to Eilat and Petra. The weather can be sort of sketchy in the winter, but don't overlook the parks and refuges.

I will double down on recommending a private guide. They spend close to two years doing night classes for four and five hours to know Orthodox, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. perspectives on everything. They will also know which routes to tell the cab driver to take to get you into places like Bethlehem without trouble, etc. I think the guide J I referred to earlier called the Damascus gate into the old city, "Stabby gate." That's information I appreciate! You can hire a guide for an afternoon, a day, whatever, and ask them to book the next day, etc., if you like them. You need them to take you to places like the Ethiopian camp in the city, etc., or you would never know that they were there.
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1500 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:27 am to
Much appreciated. I will certainly look into the places you recommend.
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1500 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:32 am to
Will heed your advice. As an aside does having a passport stamped Israel make for a security risk if traveling elsewhere in the region? Say, Egypt or turkey?
Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3208 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:56 am to
I was working in the middle east at the time I went to Israel. I told them not to stamp my passport, just stamp a piece of paper. The weren't thrilled with it, but did it.

Make sure you have print outs of where you are staying, info of anyone you know in country, itinerary, etc. I was held up a long time flying in because I was travelling solo, knew nobody in country and was just winging it, only had a place booked for my first 2 nights there. They couldn't understand why I wanted to get in their country.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2900 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

Will heed your advice. As an aside does having a passport stamped Israel make for a security risk if traveling elsewhere in the region? Say, Egypt or turkey?


It all depends, to be quite honest. It used to be a big deal, but there were workarounds. The years I was there, I was on a "black passport" deal, so I never had to deal with it personally.

Most of the countries over there have normalized things for the most part, but those situations can change on a dime. Jordan and Israel have always been cool (well, at least since the war ) and Egypt isn't generally a problem either. They share a border and it's understood that people travel through the area.

Turkey can be schizo. Hell, it might not even be an Israeli visa that gets you in trouble; it might be your US Passport.

Edit: JL's advice above is sound. Be able to explain where you've been and what you've been up to. You don't OWE them that, but it'll help you avoid getting the old "secondary" interview.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 7:42 pm
Posted by jsquardjj
Member since Oct 2009
1398 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:32 pm to
I would highly recommend booking the Masada sunrise day trip.

You have to wake up early and hike up Masada in the dark, but the sunrise from here was Epic. After that, you hike in Ein Gedi and then finish the day hanging out at the Dead Sea. It was an incredible day.

Posted by jimlsu1
Ellicott City, Md
Member since Oct 2008
1587 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:48 pm to
Good luck with the trip.
Right now I wouldn’t have the balls to fly to that area for the foreseeable future
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13573 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 6:56 pm to
That’s common practice now; it’s always been on a piece of paper not the passport itself every time I’ve been on a regular blue passport.
Posted by Potchafa
Avoyelles
Member since Jul 2016
4199 posts
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:34 am to
So is this guy still going to Jesusland? I think Jesus would understand if he skips this trip.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10257 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 4:36 pm to
Did you end up going? Curious how the trip went if you did
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