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Help with training my son to move better.

Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:58 am
Posted by jmh5724
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:58 am
My son is currently 10 and very active in sports. He plays baseball, flag football, soccer and just began competitive swimming. He is pretty successful in his age groups and has excellent hand/eye coordination but his overall movement is very robotic and jerky. He’s extremely stiff in his legs and does most things in a straight up position. It’s kind of a head scratcher seeing him have success with the way he typically moves because he looks uncoordinated at times. I’ve tried to convey that he needs play more over his toes and lower to the ground but he just can’t seem to do it. I want to chalk it up to age but there are kids his age that are extremely fluid in their movements. Are there any special exercises that I can do with him to help him get more into his lower body and smoother in his movements? Maybe even a stretching routine we can do because he just looks very tight and stiff.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 6:54 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:01 am to
1) work on movement, mainly crawls, lots of crawls and basic movement patterns like rolls, jumping, sprinting etc

2) most movement issues stem from lack of strength so your body is compensating. get him lifting(yes you can lift at 10)

for the movement portion, baseball flows is a good option
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2649 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:08 am to
What do you call baseball flows? Right now he still attacks the ball and goes down with his feet together. We’ve done right/left right/left drills a million times but come gametime he reverts right back to squatting on his heels and feet together when he gets to the ball. He just can’t seem to open his base and lean forward.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:18 am to
LINK

its an actual service


and he does what you are talking about because he is weak
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:22 am to
Thanks I’ll look into it. He is on the smaller side for kids his age, 4’6 65lbs. Some kids on his team are already 5’ and 100lbs
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Thanks I’ll look into it. He is on the smaller side for kids his age, 4’6 65lbs. Some kids on his team are already 5’ and 100lbs


needs to eat and lift for the most part. that is his biggest issue more than likely...strength which leads to compensations and lack of inter-muscular coordination
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69667 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 7:19 pm to
Bear crawls, low crawls, forward rolls, backward rolls,

In other words find a place to train judo/wrestling/jiu jitsu
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:08 pm to
Repetition is the best way to move better. This is why the other kids move more efficiently

For exercises start with simple squats & deadlifts. Have someone teach him right from the start.
Posted by DrDenim
By the airport
Member since Sep 2022
936 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

In other words find a place to train judo/wrestling/jiu jitsu


I second everything said so far, but to add my .02 in my own way, I have a few words, STRENGTH STRENGTH STRENGTH!!!!

Everything he does in life will be enhanced by being stronger. I think one of best things you (and your wife/SO/gf ... whatever) can do for your children is model to them how important it is to be strong. To me, that means you have to be strong (or at least be actively attempting to be strong by training for strength with some kind of method, doesn't matter which one, just as long as it works), and you have to teach your kids the global importance of strength as a foundational physical quality.

Do your best to ensure your kids do not end up being infected by and clinging to old, tired, narrow ideas about strength, muscles, weightlifting, etc. It is 2024, but there is still so much ignorance about these topics. Strength training is not just for men, not just for athletes, it's not just for bodybuilders, or other big macho men with big muscles that like to strut and flex in the mirror. Every human being should care about being stronger and every human being can, and should IMO, strength train.

Obviously people, and your son, have freedom of choice, but as a parent you have a lot of influence on that kid so I suggest you take advantage. That age, 10, is a great age to get him introduced to something that will make him stronger. It may not be weights, it may be wrestling/BJJ/martial arts, or gymnastics, or calisthenics. I'm partial to barbell training because objectively, it is the superior method, but some people won't do it no matter what, I can never understand why. That's where your parental influence comes in, if he sees you doing something he may want to join in, if you seem to enjoy strength training by working with a barbell, maybe he will want to do it as well. Of course, if you, or he, don't go that route there are other ways to skin this cat. In my hometown, wrestling and gymnastics are incredibly popular activities for young kids. It seems like every kid who was a decent athlete that I grew up with did 1 or the other or both for at least a few years when they were between the ages of 5-10. Learning to move in all 3 planes and control your body in all manner of positions is really helpful for building that "fluidity of movement" that you recognize. It's not too late for him to get some of that.
Posted by DrDenim
By the airport
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:40 pm to
I have no idea who this girl is, I don't know how much she weighs but I'll guess it's less than 100lbs, but she is in that neighborhood, and while this is a pretty ugly squat technique wise, SHE'S 10! I'm sure if she sticks with it she will get better at it, but that's impressive strength don't ya think?

Instagram - @explosivemechanics


10 year old girl squatting 155lbs @ Explosive Mechanics

If you watch a lot of videos on this particular IG account, there's tons of questionable technique and form with the lifts, which I do not advocate for, but strength is strength, just because a person's form isn't perfect or they bounce a bench press off their chest/belly with their hips several inches off the bench(this is something nearly 100% of his trainees seem to do, but I think a lot of it has to do with them trying to lift the most weight possible for the purpose of sharing it on IG, I'm willing to bet they don't train that way day to day)doesn't mean that lifter isn't strong. They're just taking on too much of an injury risk in my opinion, but I don't coach these kids. I can't deny they are strong, that's all I am trying to show.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82898 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

jmh5724


What does his maternal grandfather and uncles look like?

He may have inherited some unathletic traits from your wife's family.

ETA: My post assumes you aren't unathletic.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 9:49 pm
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2649 posts
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:15 pm to
Both me and his mom played multiple sports growing up and through high school. We definitely didn’t win the genetic lottery but held our own enough to compete and stay on the field. The funny thing is my 12 year old daughter who doesn’t take any sport seriously is much more fluid looking when she runs and moves. I was doing ladder drills with him a while back and he couldnt get the rhythm of it and she walks up after watching us and runs right through it like it was second nature. I probably should just stay focused on his results because it’s working for him even if it is clunky looking.

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36558 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 7:32 am to
quote:

Both me and his mom played multiple sports growing up and through high school. We definitely didn’t win the genetic lottery but held our own enough to compete and stay on the field. The funny thing is my 12 year old daughter who doesn’t take any sport seriously is much more fluid looking when she runs and moves. I was doing ladder drills with him a while back and he couldnt get the rhythm of it and she walks up after watching us and runs right through it like it was second nature. I probably should just stay focused on his results because it’s working for him even if it is clunky looking.



i would focus more on the crawls and how he moves in those. is he stiff on rotation? if so look up T-Spine mobility drills

im not big on ladders, i think they are fine for a warm up but they do not teach speed and agility, they dont and any S&C coach that says they do is ignorant AF

quick feet dont eat either, that is another saying many like to use that love ladders

ladders make you better at ladders, that is it

focus on getting him stronger, moving through space with the crawls and iso holds that stress the core

a good place to start is the reddit calisthenics recommended routine. they have an app with videos he can follow. its like $5 one time buy. will walk him through mobility then the strength portion. let him do that plus five 10 yard dashes where you time it a 3x per week for the rest of the year and then reaccess from there

speed is not about technique and looking pretty for 95% of it. its about force production, angles and speed of the turnover. focus on strength and then wall sprints and he will get faster.

if you want a full program you can email me lsu777td gmail and i will send you the john meadows youth and ota youth programs
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2649 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:31 am to
He’s actually one of the fastest kids on his team, he just looks like he can run inside of a bucket. I think the main thing he needs help with is flexibility. Everything he does looks very compressed to his body. I looked into the flows program you mentioned and that might be exactly what I was looking for.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34519 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:40 pm to
It's tough. I have 7 year old twin girls who are both in gymnastics amd struggle with handstands because they are just weak as frick.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6194 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 7:18 pm to
It’s not bad to expose him to mobility and strength stuff at this age, but the kid also just needs to continue to develop through different activities. Play tag, do tricks off the monkey bars, do cartwheels and flips (goes along with rolling and crawling). Sounds like coordination needs to get better along with other qualities, but he’s gonna hate you if he’s not having fun. You talk about ladders and no rhythm, hell even dancing or playing an instrument could help with that
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2649 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:10 pm to
I tried doing some bodyweight exercises with him but I could tell he wasn’t receptive to it. I need something that seems like a game to him. Our afternoon schedule is already completely filled from the kids extracurriculars so it needs to be something we can do at home.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6194 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 8:25 pm to
Jeremy Frisch can be a good resource for this type of stuff
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36558 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 7:49 am to
quote:


I tried doing some bodyweight exercises with him but I could tell he wasn’t receptive to it. I need something that seems like a game to him. Our afternoon schedule is already completely filled from the kids extracurriculars so it needs to be something we can do at home.


at 10, gonna have to have a talk with him honestly. because by 12 he needs to be training with weights 2-3x per week if he plans on making a very good hs team. Not sure where you live but unfortunately it is not like it was when we were growing up, at least basketball and baseball. its stupid competitive.

you have to get him to understand how much it will help him

or bribe him to hit certain metrics on the presidential fitness test. print it out and show him where he should be and even bribe him and train with him.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36558 posts
Posted on 9/13/24 at 7:56 am to
quote:

If you watch a lot of videos on this particular IG account, there's tons of questionable technique and form with the lifts, which I do not advocate for, but strength is strength, just because a person's form isn't perfect or they bounce a bench press off their chest/belly with their hips several inches off the bench(this is something nearly 100% of his trainees seem to do, but I think a lot of it has to do with them trying to lift the most weight possible for the purpose of sharing it on IG, I'm willing to bet they don't train that way day to day)doesn't mean that lifter isn't strong. They're just taking on too much of an injury risk in my opinion, but I don't coach these kids. I can't deny they are strong, that's all I am trying to show.


jared produces monster

to touch on the technique some

when you see them benching and the butt is off.....that is taught. its because they are training for athletics and he wants them to use leg drive. if they decide to go to a PL meet, they train different for 8 weeks or so before the meet. I teach the same thing, leg drive through the floor. i use tons of pin presses to drive strength almost exclusively using the static dynamic method similar to box squats. Jared uses crazy heavy tricep pushdowns with this weird technique to drive it. its unique

on the squats....most of his kids dont do regular squats unless they need to add mass. almost exclusively using box squats on a 12" box with a 4" soft foam pad (elitefts older blue pad model) so his kids are not used to doing regular squats

also on free back squats, he uses overspeed eccentrics where they slam down to use the stretch shortening cycle

with the young kids you will see them have some structural strength issues that come into play when they are doing the max effort stuff

anyways just wanted to clarify some of those things

jared is the best strength coach in the nation imo
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