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Plant Safety question
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:54 am
So I work at a facility in Louisville that produces all flammable products. Right now there is no nitrogen whatsoever that is working. However, the day shift is transferring product via pipeline to a storage tank. Basically the fella ill releive tonight is doing what he is being told. My question to plant baws... is having inoperable nitrogen an OSHA violation? It does make the flammable more dangerous because of the lack of inert gas. Am I correct on this? Any suggestions would help. Thanks.
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 11:59 am to ChestRockwell
Not familiar with your process but I work at a facility that purges hydrogen with nitrogen so definitely seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
Maybe there are other ways to ventilate or disperse the hydrogen. I assume the concentration also plays a role.
I know one thing, when I use to work in certain plants just saying the word OSHA got you in trouble.
Maybe there are other ways to ventilate or disperse the hydrogen. I assume the concentration also plays a role.
I know one thing, when I use to work in certain plants just saying the word OSHA got you in trouble.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:07 pm to CaptainDave
Thanks for the reply. I reached out via text to some old co workers and bosses. Awaiting their response and suggestions. Honestly think I should use my "Stop Work Authority" and shut down the transfer. Can't get clipped for being safe right?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:13 pm to CaptainDave
Is the nitrogen used in the process of transferring this flammable through a pipeline to a tank? If it's not, I'm not seeing the issue.
edit: what does the "loss of nitrogen" procedure say?
edit: what does the "loss of nitrogen" procedure say?
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:21 pm to Sack531
Yes, when it comes to blowing the lines out, and another way of eliminating the solids. Basically used for quality and viscosity. That process is a line that is directly under the tank itself. I'm more concerned about not being able to blow the lines between point A and point B. Purging process
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:26 pm to ChestRockwell
Remember: you have stop work authority and your company has a zero-retaliation policy.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:27 pm to Sack531
When I go in, I'll look it up. There are guidelines. I know that DOW chemical wouldn't think twice about shutting the process down. Probably should call in "sick" and don't even worry about it. However, I do have integrity and morals.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:27 pm to victoire sécurisé
100 % correct. Probably will go that route once I get my ducks lined up.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:29 pm to ChestRockwell
Just call in sick and start looking for another job
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:31 pm to ChestRockwell
If there is no way for O2 to enter the system then what would the nitrogen be used for?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:34 pm to ChestRockwell
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Remember: you have stop work authority and your company has a zero-retaliation policy.
Correct answer. Dont be a prick about it, just pose the question and dont proceed until you have answers and are comfortable.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:35 pm to DTRooster
N2 is an inert gas that eliminates oxygen which a fire or an explosion needs to ignite. Take it away, it reduces the chances of that happening. Without N2, the % increases, which is why I am concerned. Shite we handle there is extremely dangerous.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:38 pm to DomincDecoco
Oh I concur. But certain companies can be jerks. They talk a big safety game, with bull crap meetings, and signs, but do any of them really stand by it? Do whatever is necessary to accomplish the task.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:43 pm to ChestRockwell
If it is a sealed system how does enough O2 get in the become a flammable mixture?
Nitrogen is typically used as a pressure blanket on tanks/ vessels or a sweep on lines open to the USA. It is used also to decon lines or vessel that’ll be opened to the USA.
Maybe I’m missing something about your process
Nitrogen is typically used as a pressure blanket on tanks/ vessels or a sweep on lines open to the USA. It is used also to decon lines or vessel that’ll be opened to the USA.
Maybe I’m missing something about your process
Posted on 8/31/24 at 12:48 pm to DTRooster
Correct. We use N2 to purge lines to eliminate O2 levels. That's what the hand held meters are used to determine the LEL levels.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:03 pm to ChestRockwell
I still don’t understand. In all our systems once the lines are put in service that’s it with the sweeping out O2 until the lines need to be opened up again
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:07 pm to ChestRockwell
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Can't get clipped for being safe right?
No but I can assure you that they will find something to ding you on to make you wish you hadn’t done that
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