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Why is the triple option so hard to defend?
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:26 am
What about it makes it difficult for defenses (not just our defense...so save the "our defense blows" comments) to defend it?
If it's so great, why isn't it in use as much as the spread??
If it's so great, why isn't it in use as much as the spread??
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Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:28 am to Luke4LSU
It can cause a lot of turn overs if not ran right.
Good LBs and DE can kill it.
Good LBs and DE can kill it.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:29 am to Luke4LSU
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Why is the triple option so hard to defend?
I think it is hard to defend now b/c defenses arent used to seeing it. I know we ran it out of the wishbone in HS, and defenses had no problems stopping us.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:31 am to Luke4LSU
The triple option was actually used a lot back in the day, but defenses figured it out and then offenses starting passing more and evenatually turned to the spread.
The triple option is difficult to defend because it's a completley different style of offense that just isn't used that much anymore, so defensive coordinators don't spend a lot of time figuring out how to scheme against it.
You will see more teams turn to the triple option in the next few seasons with GT's success imo.
The triple option is difficult to defend because it's a completley different style of offense that just isn't used that much anymore, so defensive coordinators don't spend a lot of time figuring out how to scheme against it.
You will see more teams turn to the triple option in the next few seasons with GT's success imo.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:31 am to Luke4LSU
Because it is the greatest offense ever invented.
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Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:32 am to Chimlim
Point of information...the triple option is one play in the offense. There are a few slight variations and looks, but it is just one play.
The name of our offense is "option-based spread offense."
The name of our offense is "option-based spread offense."
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:33 am to SallyWheeler
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:38 am to Fight4LSU
Nebraska won 3 NC's in the 90's running various option plays out of the I form mostly, so I'm not so sure teams "figured it out" as much as the coaches that ran it and taught it at a high level retired.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:39 am to gmlane
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Point of information...the triple option is one play in the offense. There are a few slight variations and looks, but it is just one play.
You're right. My bad.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:39 am to BerryGT
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:41 am to Luke4LSU
as others have said, it is not used much anymore that is one of the things that makes it diffucult to defend.
The main thing to stop the option, especially the triple option in the wishbone etc. is discipline. Everyone has an assignment, and must play their assignment i.e. the de always takes the qb, the corner must force the pitchman inside, and lb must take the pitchman. However in today's game, discipline to this level is rarely seen. When defending the traditional option, there is no room for being a hero i.e. the qb has pitched it 3 times in a row so the de destroys the pitchman, because if someone tries to be a hero you get burned
The main thing to stop the option, especially the triple option in the wishbone etc. is discipline. Everyone has an assignment, and must play their assignment i.e. the de always takes the qb, the corner must force the pitchman inside, and lb must take the pitchman. However in today's game, discipline to this level is rarely seen. When defending the traditional option, there is no room for being a hero i.e. the qb has pitched it 3 times in a row so the de destroys the pitchman, because if someone tries to be a hero you get burned
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:44 am to big70
agreed, but you also have to beat the guy blocking you while staying with your assigned guy, this rarely gets mentioned.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:45 am to Luke4LSU
it's not. that's why it's not played much anymore, the only reason it still exists is b/c defenses are so unfamiliar with it. For a while it was the standard type of offense ran around the country, advances in defensive scheming (& implementation) against the triple option rendered the offensive strategy a relic.
But this occurred over a generation, so the implementation side of defending against the triple option is only taught in week spans to play teams like Air Force or Georgia Tech, as opposed to several teams on the schedule as was the case over a generation ago.
But this occurred over a generation, so the implementation side of defending against the triple option is only taught in week spans to play teams like Air Force or Georgia Tech, as opposed to several teams on the schedule as was the case over a generation ago.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:48 am to Fight4LSU
The triple option is the hardest single play in football to defend thanks to Emory Bellard, the "Godfather of the Wishbone". It's hard to defend basically because you don't know where the ball is, the offense is attacking a certain point of the defense by making them decide what to do...it's basically a 2-on-1 fastbreak type of play.
Defenses better play discipline assignment football to have a chance unless they are just that much better than the opposing offense..in that case it woudn't matter what they ran.
Defenses better play discipline assignment football to have a chance unless they are just that much better than the opposing offense..in that case it woudn't matter what they ran.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:50 am to Luke4LSU
Advantage is the confusion it gives defenses, especially at the college level. Disadvantage is the peril of injury to the one player most teams can not afford to injure, the QB, and the personnel needed to run it. Also the peril of fumbles, and passing the ball while running is more mistake ridden. With the right personnel, it presents the defenses with more possibilities to defend.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:53 am to 225Tiger
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the de always takes the qb, the corner must force the pitchman inside, and lb must take the pitchman
I would like playing against you if you were the DC...who is taking the dive on an inside or outside veer?
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:55 am to 225Tiger
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Why is the triple option so hard to defend?
It is only difficult to defend when they have a good q.b. It allows the offense to basically "play action" on each snap which is a huge advantage.
Posted on 12/31/08 at 11:55 am to BerryGT
Nebraska isn't the only team to have run the triple option back then. Oklahoma ran the wishbone for 15 years or more, Nebraska did too. There were several NCs between them and a few Heisman trophy winners as I recall. (I believe Texas, A&M, Arkansas and Mississippi State did as well). As with any offense, once the defenses figure it out, it goes by the wayside. I don't think it would be as successful in the SEC with speed and talent at defense we tend to see, but who knows...
Posted on 12/31/08 at 12:05 pm to 225Tiger
the dt takes the dive and the mlb; the olb has the pitch man
the de can never be sucked in by the dive or else your screwed
the de can never be sucked in by the dive or else your screwed
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I would like playing against you if you were the DC...who is taking the dive on an inside or outside veer?
This post was edited on 12/31/08 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 12/31/08 at 12:06 pm to Tig1969
who figured it out? some of the highest scoring offenses ever where those oklahoma and nebraska teams in the 80s and 90s.
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