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Electricians - need help with hot tub wiring

Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:02 pm
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:02 pm
So the hot tub I am looking at says you need 240v/60a, 4 wire.

I am assuming I can do this. 60 amp breaker at main panel inside. Run thhn/thwn in 1 inch conduit through ceiling outside along house to disconnect box. Then wire from disconnect to the spa panel.


Am I missing anything?
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42770 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 8:41 pm to
What size is your service and do you have the open slots required to add the breaker.. You want a GFCI Breaker to meet code. How long will the wire run be from your panel to the hot tub.

Considering the hazards of doing things wrong with electricity and a hot tub, if you haven't done much electrical work around your house, you should probably pay someone to do this.
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 8:48 pm to
I’ve done electrical. I have plenty of room in my pony panel. Inside the run will be about 25 feet. Then outside it’ll be 15 to the disconnect box.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42770 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 9:04 pm to
If your total length is less than 50 feet then you would use AWG 4 and AWG 3 for up to 150 feet. If you feel comfortable doing the work then it ain't rocket science. Good luck, I would avoid the urge to not skip on the GFCI, if there is a place you really really want one, this is it.

Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3408 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 9:10 pm to
60A calls for at least 5AWG wire. Conduit must be >= 1.25 inch for 4x conductors that size.
ETA should be 1.5” for 4x 4awg in pvc.
This post was edited on 8/10/24 at 9:12 pm
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42770 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

Conduit must be >= 1.25 inch for 4x conductors that size.



Thanks, Dallas, I didn't even think about checking his conduit size
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21382 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 9:25 pm to
You can just run you some 6/3 SER through your attic down the wall and out of the house and mount you a junction box close to where you’re going to power up the hot tub and go from there
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 9:31 pm to
I thought 6/3 thnn was rated to 75A. Is it not?
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3408 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 9:43 pm to
Thhn yes. 6awg ok. My bad. I’m 15 Busch lights deep and looked at the 40c table.
Still need 1.25 pvc though.
ETA I could pretend I was right with 5awg and voltage drop yada yada, but 6awg is the right answer.
This post was edited on 8/10/24 at 10:21 pm
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
2308 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 3:46 am to
quote:

You can just run you some 6/3 SER



OP states that 4 wire is needed.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33528 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 7:28 am to
quote:

I could pretend I was right with 5awg


You'd have that dude on wild goose chase looking for unobtanium.
Posted by chrome1007
Toledo Bend
Member since Dec 2023
584 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 8:50 am to
If your like me, a visual helps……
LINK
Hope this helps
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
21382 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 10:24 am to
quote:

OP states that 4 wire is needed.
6/3 is a four wire. It has a black, red,white and a ground. You are thinking of 6/2
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 11:07 am to
Question. Do I need 6 g ground or 8 or 10 is sufficient. It says that 4 wires will fit in 3/4 conduit. Why do I need 1.25. Will smaller cause more heat?
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46706 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 11:21 am to
you’re not gonna be able to pull 6/3 jacketed cable thru 3/4 conduit. It will physically fit but not pull.

1-1/4 or 1-1/2 if you want to pull it

And yes 6/3 is 4-wire. if you want to save some money you can look at aluminum which is much cheaper than copper
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
2308 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 11:44 am to
quote:


6/3 is a four wire. It has a black, red,white and a ground. You are thinking of 6/2


There is 6/3 w/GND which has 4 wires and 6/3 which has 3 wires.

Been 4 years since I got out of the design world but this is how it was labeled.

My point is for OP to not assume it has a ground.

Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 12:02 pm to
I’m doing thnn anyway so single strand
Posted by 2 Jugs
Saint Amant
Member since Feb 2018
2308 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 2:32 pm to
Good choice
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3408 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Question. Do I need 6 g ground or 8 or 10 is sufficient. It says that 4 wires will fit in 3/4 conduit. Why do I need 1.25. Will smaller cause more heat?


I think you can downsize the neutral in the feeder and the ground in the equipment branch but would rather not advise.
Must follow manufacturer’s instructions.
All wires total can only occupy 40% of conduit space if there are three or more in there.
This post was edited on 8/11/24 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 8/11/24 at 6:54 pm to
What is easier to pull NMB or putting conduit and thhn? My basement is finishing, and it's gonna be a pain in the arse pulling schedule 40 conduit.

Could I do this?

60 amp at house breaker.
4 awg NMB until I hit the exterior wall.
Junction box and change over to 4 wire 6 THHN.
Exit junction box in conduit (this will be a 15 foot straight run to disconnect box).


Is that easier/better/worse?
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