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Modem and/or router combo for Cox 500 Mbps to 1 Gig
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:01 pm
Facing the possibility of having to do WFH in the future and Mrs. BTB is already on a hybrid schedule where she logs in to her office servers from home. We have a very "smart" house with security/cameras/smart bulbs/wafers all throughout. As it stands, 250 Mbps is causing issues when we're both home and we'll need to go up on speed which is not a problem.
My question: what modem/router would be good to run at least 500 Mbps for us? I'm tired of paying $15/mo and would rather have quality hardware.
My question: what modem/router would be good to run at least 500 Mbps for us? I'm tired of paying $15/mo and would rather have quality hardware.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:19 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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250 Mbps is causing issues when we're both home
this sounds almost impossible. You are likely having other issues, especially if you are wifi dependent.
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My question: what modem/router would be good to run at least 500 Mbps for us? I'm tired of paying $15/mo and would rather have quality hardware.
Buy a compatible modem from Cox's approved list. Any docsis 3.1 modem will do 500Mbps. Probably avoid any modems with a Puma Chipset if possible. Humax HGD310 is a solid no frills modem.
As for a router, it really depends on what level of WiFi you need. You could get a basic WiFi 6 router like an AX1800 rated router for well under $100. If you need Mesh, it depends if you are going to do wireless backhaul or not. If you do wireless backhaul, you need something with tri-band WiFi 6e. These are more expensive and you'd be looking around $200-300 likely. If you can do ethernet backhaul, you could get something like Deco X20 for $100-120.
Getting 500Mbps from wifi speeds will be very difficult regardless and you are probably just wasting money on 500Mbps internet if you are primarily using wifi.
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:36 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
quote:Agreed with above, this is very unlikely to be the problem. Internet at the office I'm in right now is slower than that and we don't have any issues supporting more than a dozen people at once. Your problem is either:
As it stands, 250 Mbps is causing issues when we're both home
1. Your wifi sucks (like most do)
2. You have a local ISP problem causing you to get lower than expected speed and/or high latency or packet loss (poor signal due to bad cabling/equipment or similar). Run some speed tests (preferably hard-wired) and post upstream, downstream, and latency results.
3. A program/service on some device in your home is not playing nice, hogging your bandwidth (upstream speed is typically far slower than downstream and thus easier to saturate, and when that happens downstream is slower and/or latency gets high so that it "feels" slow).
But yeah, ditch the ISP equipment and associated rental fees. As mentioned above, any docsis3.1 modem, and my preference is avoid the combo modem/router units.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:11 pm to Korkstand
Gotcha. I mean, when I check my wifi connection there are at least 12 devices connected. The time I usually face these issues is mid day if I'm on Xbox and she's on the work computer.
Complain to Cox and buy equipment?
Complain to Cox and buy equipment?
Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:31 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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Gotcha. I mean, when I check my wifi connection there are at least 12 devices connected. The time I usually face these issues is mid day if I'm on Xbox and she's on the work computer.
Complain to Cox and buy equipment?
Troubleshooting is free and you can do it immediately. Depending on the issue, new equipment may not make any difference. You need to figure out what is causing the slowdown.
How is your Xbox connected? How is your wife's work computer connected? Does your wife deal with large data files for her job that take 5minute+ to upload?
Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:38 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
quote:I've got 78 devices on my home wifi right now. Internet service 250/15 and no issues. Speed is not your problem, at least not the speed you are paying for.
when I check my wifi connection there are at least 12 devices connected
quote:Do you notice it as lag on the xbox, or does she notice it on her computer, or both? Might sound crazy, but it might be weather related rather than workload on your network. I've had a similar issue in the past where my internet would act up around the same time each day. Turned out to be some overheating issue with Cox equipment. Another time it went out when it rained. Turned out a squirrel had chewed through the insulation which allowed water inside the cable.
The time I usually face these issues is mid day if I'm on Xbox and she's on the work computer.
Or maybe your wifi just sucks and a new router will fix it.
quote:First I would run some speed tests (again, preferably hardwired or at least in a strong signal location if you must use wifi) to see if you are getting close to the speed you are paying for. I would also run some long-running pings to see if those are consistent. Open a command prompt and type:
Complain to Cox and buy equipment?
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ping -t 8.8.8.8 > ping.txt
That command will show the results in the window, as well as write them to the file ping.txt. It will run forever, so press ctrl-C to stop after some time (minutes to hours). The results should be in the neighborhood of 20-30ms, maybe with occasional spikes close to 100ms, and preferably 0% packet loss. You can check this at any time, so maybe try it when you notice the problem as well as when you don't.
If the ping results look worse than described, reboot your router and try again as soon as everything is back online. If they are still bad, reboot your modem and try again. If the results improve after either of those tests, you may have identified the faulty device. Of course if it's a combo device it would just be the one thing to test. If the results are still bad, well, the problem could be upstream of the modem, or the faulty device could just be bad even after a fresh reboot. Hard to say without swapping gear.
But if the pings and speedtests are good even while your service is acting up, then I'd say the problem is definitely your wifi and I'd get a new router.
You can also run some tests which target your wifi. Swap out 8.8.8.8 with the IP of your router (typically 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1) and check those results. Should be single digit ms every time and 0% packet loss. If that test looks wonky, then your wifi is bad. You can also do a local speedtest but that's a bit more involved.
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 7/2/24 at 8:15 pm to Korkstand
Xbox is hardwired directly to the router/modem. Mrs. BTB is on wifi, where she remote connects to a company system and does work from there. This is very common during the daytime, not so much during the night (we almost never lose connection at night.) For sure unplugging/30 seconds/plug back in everything runs well for a few minutes.
When the connection goes bad, I will look at my Cox moden and it begins to turn off the lights and reboot itself with all the blinking lights doing their reset sequence.
When the connection goes bad, I will look at my Cox moden and it begins to turn off the lights and reboot itself with all the blinking lights doing their reset sequence.
Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:35 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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Cox moden
didn't have to read any further
Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:08 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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When the connection goes bad, I will look at my Cox moden and it begins to turn off the lights and reboot itself with all the blinking lights doing their reset sequence.
That is more likely to indicate a plant/network issue on Cox's side. Before replacing equipment, I'd probably reach out to their customer support and let them know.
If you want to be inquisitive on your side, you can go access the modem/gateway logs and see what is causing the modem reset. It sounds like it is environment/heat related and you replacing equipment on your end is not likely to fix anything.
But Cox CS should be able to see what is happening from their side and they may want to replace your existing modem/gateway as a first troubleshooting step. It will be easier to get this fixed using their equipment and then get your own when you know it is working properly again. Otherwise you just give them the opportunity to point the finger at your equipment causing the problem and then they cant/wont help.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 7:10 am
Posted on 7/3/24 at 2:15 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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The time I usually face these issues is mid day if I'm on Xbox and she's on the work computer.
I read my ISP's net neutrality paper the other day. It explains up to 32 residents share 2.5 Gbps of bandwidth and no matter the speed you pay for it is possible it will be throttled during peak usage.
Either way if you are looking at new equipment consider something better than the usual consumer routers.
https://opnsense.org/
https://www.pfsense.org/
Install those on an old computer with a NIC or buy something turnkey.
https://protectli.com/
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:48 am to BilbeauTBaggins
I've been using an Arris SB8200 modem with a three set Google WiFi mesh on Comcast for two years with no issues.
It looks like the SB8200 is approved for use with Cox.
The Google mesh is wireless but provides good coverage and speed throughout our house.
It looks like the SB8200 is approved for use with Cox.
The Google mesh is wireless but provides good coverage and speed throughout our house.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 12:10 pm to notsince98
I've done two separate Cox customer service chats and they deny that there has been any unintended restarts on my modem/router.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 12:25 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
what do the logs show on the device?
EDIT: Also what does the uptime show on the device?
EDIT: Also what does the uptime show on the device?
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:05 am to notsince98
TBH I've kinda given up on that part. It appears after talking to three Cox representatives online, they've all concluded that my 3 year old modem is well out of date and they are "offering a discount" for their PV7 modem for $22/month. Having looked at the first big suggestion, I can get the Humax and AX1800 for $180 combined. Will still maintain the 250 Mbps.
Are there any modems w/ wifi that are worth it on this list for under $200 or close to that price? Or is the Humax/AX1800 combo the best way to go for what my current internet speed is?
Cox certified cable modems list
Are there any modems w/ wifi that are worth it on this list for under $200 or close to that price? Or is the Humax/AX1800 combo the best way to go for what my current internet speed is?
Cox certified cable modems list
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/5/24 at 4:42 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Just get whatever modem they provide, then put it in bridge mode and buy your own router where you can create different vlans and wifi networks and control what wifi channel your different wifi connections use.
Additionally, you should take a look at where your wifi router is in proximity to the connected devices that you’re having issues with. That said 12 wifi connected devices isn’t that many devices so as others have said, bandwidth isn’t the issue.
Additionally, you should take a look at where your wifi router is in proximity to the connected devices that you’re having issues with. That said 12 wifi connected devices isn’t that many devices so as others have said, bandwidth isn’t the issue.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 5:28 pm to MStant1
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put it in bridge mode and buy your own router where you can create different vlans and wifi networks and control what wifi channel your different wifi connections use.
know your audience, bro
Posted on 7/5/24 at 5:49 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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know your audience, bro
Fair enough. That said, I’m only like 18 months removed from being in the same boat as the OP. Didn’t know anything and only had whatever my ISP rented to me. I got tired of having issues, so invested in some Unifi equipment, watched some YouTube videos to help me set it up, and never looked back. The learning curve to set up a basic home network isn’t terribly steep. I’m still only a beginner at this myself.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:26 am to MStant1
I used to be hesitant to recommend UniFi to people because it is a little more advanced than typical consumer gear, but these days it's so easy to set up that I just go with it. After the initial setup (which is no more complicated than any other stuff) they don't even need to touch the app if they don't want to. But honestly I think it's time people start learning a little more about this stuff. It's shocking to me how many people have no idea that you can change your wifi SSID. Seems a lot of ISP techs who do installs don't even know that's possible. They leave it to the customer to reconnect all their phones, tablets, laptops, and potentially dozens of other devices rather than spend the 2 minutes setting the ssid/password to what they had before.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:48 am to MStant1
So I got the Humax and A1800 combo. Got nervous because I didn't realize I needed Cox to do work on their end and make changes on their end to allow internet to flow into the modem (I've been out of the home IT game for awhile) and my laptop charger decided to get weird and not want to charge for 30 minutes.
Overall, everything around the house feels a bit quicker. Also there's a much noticeably higher range between my wifi and devices that were once attached to the older router. Might end up getting rid of the extender I bought unless my outdoor cameras still need a stronger connection. Thank you all.

Overall, everything around the house feels a bit quicker. Also there's a much noticeably higher range between my wifi and devices that were once attached to the older router. Might end up getting rid of the extender I bought unless my outdoor cameras still need a stronger connection. Thank you all.

Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:59 am to BilbeauTBaggins
any changes to your speed issues?
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