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I believe many Americans have a functional misunderstanding
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:39 am
Between a Republic and Democracy..I know many people who say we live in a Democracy. Hillary Clinton once said that in a speech.
A Democracy makes laws by what the majority deems as proper. Th3 Constitytion doesnt matter.
A Republic rules by a Constitution that protects its citizens from a party that gets too powerful and randomly changes laws.
Our founding fathers made it a Republic because they saw government overreach throughout history and knew man corrupts. So they made a document to hinder that process and protect the people.
Democracies have proven to be very harmful to citizens and only keeps the ruling class wealthy..
Here are a few countries that are true democracies and they all are totalitarian..
Democratic Republic of Congo
Democratic Republic of North Korea
Democratic people republic of China
A Democracy makes laws by what the majority deems as proper. Th3 Constitytion doesnt matter.
A Republic rules by a Constitution that protects its citizens from a party that gets too powerful and randomly changes laws.
Our founding fathers made it a Republic because they saw government overreach throughout history and knew man corrupts. So they made a document to hinder that process and protect the people.
Democracies have proven to be very harmful to citizens and only keeps the ruling class wealthy..
Here are a few countries that are true democracies and they all are totalitarian..
Democratic Republic of Congo
Democratic Republic of North Korea
Democratic people republic of China
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:41 am to bleedsgarnet
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Democratic Republic of Congo Democratic Republic of North Korea
So are these Democracies or Republics?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:43 am to sta4ever
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So are these Democracies or Republics?
What do you think?
Is the "People's Republic of China" a republic?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:46 am to bleedsgarnet
I agree with you. But when voted on government officials get to appoint judges to interpret the Constitution it all ends up in Democracy eventually just a few years slower.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:47 am to sta4ever
When countries like that use the term “democratic”, they mean social democratic. It’s really socialism. Think East Germany.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:47 am to Paddyshack
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Democracies have proven to be very harmful to citizens and only keeps the ruling class wealthy.. Here are a few countries that are true democracies and they all are totalitarian.. Democratic Republic of Congo Democratic Republic of North Korea
OP is saying Democracies are bad, and pointing to two Democratic Republics. OP saying Republics are superior but not giving a good example, because these are two Republics, and the People’s Republic of China is not a good way to run a government either. I’m just confused from OP’s point.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:49 am to NineLineBind
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When countries like that use the term “democratic”, they mean social democratic. It’s really socialism. Think East Germany.
But all those countries also have the term “republic” in them, and OP is trying to say a Republic is the way to go, and not a Democracy. I agree with OP, I just don’t think he gave good examples.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:49 am to sta4ever
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OP saying Republics are superior but not giving a good example, because these are two Republics, and the People’s Republic of China is not a good way to run a government either. I’m just confused from OP’s point.
I bet you're also confused why the Inflation Reduction Act didn't reduce inflation.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:50 am to sta4ever
They all lead with democracies and all countries are totalitarian..
Taiwan leads with Republic of China
There is a free Republic of Congo
They did that to differentiate between their Democratic counterparts.
Taiwan leads with Republic of China
There is a free Republic of Congo
They did that to differentiate between their Democratic counterparts.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:51 am to Paddyshack
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I bet you're also confused why the Inflation Reduction Act didn't reduce inflation.
Typical. Can’t counter the argument so has to go straight to insults.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:52 am to sta4ever
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Typical. Can’t counter the argument so has to go straight to insults.
I'm countering your argument, you just don't seem to get it.
Carry on.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:52 am to bleedsgarnet
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Between a Republic and Democracy..I know many people who say we live in a Democracy. Hillary Clinton once said that in a speech.
A Democracy makes laws by what the majority deems as proper. Th3 Constitytion doesnt matter.
A Republic rules by a Constitution that protects its citizens from a party that gets too powerful and randomly changes laws.
.
Very little of that is necessarily true.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:53 am to sta4ever
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OP is saying Democracies are bad, and pointing to two Democratic Republics. OP saying Republics are superior but not giving a good example, because these are two Republics, and the People’s Republic of China is not a good way to run a government either. I’m just confused from OP’s point.
The actual truth is that totalitarian states label themselves in ways to imply voter input matters when it really doesn’t.
Russia for instance has voting, but if you choose “wrong” the government can haul you off to a gulag.
China they dock your social credit score until you can’t work or travel until you get on board.
Voting under government coercion doesn’t constitute a republic or a democracy regardless of what that government has to say about it or how they refer to themselves.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:55 am to sta4ever
It’s a word game. Perhaps you’re playing devils advocate which I can appreciate. But the fact remains, totalitarian regimes use language from “1984”.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:59 am to tide06
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The actual truth is that totalitarian states label themselves in ways to imply voter input matters when it really doesn’t.
Oh I know.
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Voting under government coercion doesn’t constitute a republic or a democracy regardless of what that government has to say about it or how they refer to themselves.
I agree, but OP is trying to make the connection that anyone associating with Democracy is bad, and that’s just not true. We all know that countries that label themselves “Democratic Republics” or whatever aren’t truly that, but it doesn’t mean that the US isn’t a Democratic Republic.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:00 am to sta4ever
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OP is trying to make the connection that anyone associating with Democracy is bad, and that’s just not true. We all know that countries that label themselves “Democratic Republics” or whatever aren’t truly that, but it doesn’t mean that the US isn’t a Democratic Republic.
The irony of this thread is that the OP has demonstrated the he has a functional misunderstanding of the terms he's trying to define.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:02 am to bleedsgarnet
The simplest answer is that government schools are sending out children who are woefully unprepared to act as responsible citizens. I say that intent is a feature, not a bug, because when people truly understand how the government works, and what its role in everyday life was designed to be (or not to be) in a citizen's daily activities, then an informed population is a problematic population when the federal government chooses to push the envelope.
We are a Constitutional Republic which chooses to do things democratically.
"Democratic" is merely an adjective that describes the Republic.
The Constitution says that representatives must be sent to the House & Senate. It does not dictate how those individuals are chosen. It wasn't until the 17th Amendment was ratified that Senators were popularly elected. Previously, they were appointed by state Governors or State Houses.
The original intent was for the House to do the business of the People, while the Senate was to work in the interests of the States. The compromises reached between the various iterations of each house's bills would indicate a happy medium for both the people and the states as it went to the President's desk to be signed.
There is nothing in the Constitution that dictates that popular, democratically-held elections are the method by which Electors are sent to the Electoral College. States could appoint them based on the wishes of their internal legislatures, they could draw names from a hat, or possibly hold an elaborate Rock-Paper-Scissors tournament. The Constitution is silent on the matter.
When people like Hillary, Biden or Obama talk about "our Democracy", they're meaning the rigged system where weak, compliant idiots are installed/appointed under the ruse of free and fair elections to serve in a system that is gamed to favor the career politician. They've figured out a way to enrich themselves with power and money by paying with a stacked deck. When they say that Donald Trump is "a threat to our Democracy", they're meaning that Trump is determined to wreck their inside job and upend the whole system that they've developed where they feed off taxpayer dollars like fat ticks.
In that case, yes, Donald Trump and the America First/MAGA movement is absolutely a "threat to [their] dEmOcRaCy".
We are a Constitutional Republic which chooses to do things democratically.
"Democratic" is merely an adjective that describes the Republic.
The Constitution says that representatives must be sent to the House & Senate. It does not dictate how those individuals are chosen. It wasn't until the 17th Amendment was ratified that Senators were popularly elected. Previously, they were appointed by state Governors or State Houses.
The original intent was for the House to do the business of the People, while the Senate was to work in the interests of the States. The compromises reached between the various iterations of each house's bills would indicate a happy medium for both the people and the states as it went to the President's desk to be signed.
There is nothing in the Constitution that dictates that popular, democratically-held elections are the method by which Electors are sent to the Electoral College. States could appoint them based on the wishes of their internal legislatures, they could draw names from a hat, or possibly hold an elaborate Rock-Paper-Scissors tournament. The Constitution is silent on the matter.
When people like Hillary, Biden or Obama talk about "our Democracy", they're meaning the rigged system where weak, compliant idiots are installed/appointed under the ruse of free and fair elections to serve in a system that is gamed to favor the career politician. They've figured out a way to enrich themselves with power and money by paying with a stacked deck. When they say that Donald Trump is "a threat to our Democracy", they're meaning that Trump is determined to wreck their inside job and upend the whole system that they've developed where they feed off taxpayer dollars like fat ticks.
In that case, yes, Donald Trump and the America First/MAGA movement is absolutely a "threat to [their] dEmOcRaCy".
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:04 am to sta4ever
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but it doesn’t mean that the US isn’t a Democratic Republic.
Except we aren't a democratic republic. We are a Constitutional republic.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:17 am to VoxDawg
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The simplest answer is that government schools are sending out children who are woefully unprepared to act as responsible citizens. I say that intent is a feature, not a bug, because when people truly understand how the government works, and what its role in everyday life was designed to be (or not to be) in a citizen's daily activities, then an informed population is a problematic population when the federal government chooses to push the envelope.
Ding ding ding.
Wiki - Frankfurt School
They want docile, dependent and ignorant consumers, not fiercely independent, armed, classically educated and free voters.
Because everything the US was founded on undermines the power of the government relative to its constituents.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:19 am to tide06
quote:Exactly.
The actual truth is that totalitarian states label themselves in ways to imply voter input matters when it really doesn’t.
“The Totally Free Not A Dictatorship Democratic Republic of Shitholeistan” is not a free, democratic republic.
The left loves to use labels opposite of what they really are to convince themselves and others.
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