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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:57 am to lostinbr
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:57 am to lostinbr
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I suspect that the resident had gone to the door, didn’t see anyone, and picked up the pistol.
That's not a normal thing for anyone to do at 430PM.
I'm sorry but I just don't understand this and don't live in a world where i would ever feel it's necessary to answer the door at 430PM with a gun. I completely understand it's legal to do so, but it just doens't make any sense whatsoever. You can make your "he hid after knocking" excuse all you want.
You konw what normal people do in that instance? They open the door out of curiousity, or they simply go back to what they were doing and ignore it.
If you're first instinct at 430PM after someone knocks on your door is to get a gun, then i feel sorry for the life you live in where you deem that is necessary.
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but then opened the door (without putting the pistol down) when the cop actually announced himself. I find it highly unlikely that he picked the pistol up after the cop announced himself, given the timing.
and the smart thing to do once you hear it's the police, after they've said that twice, and you heard it, is to put the gun down, not answer like a fricking idiot opening the door and standing there with it in your hand.
but let's use the excuse some murderer was out to get him and disguising himself as the police at 430PM, b/c that's a normal thing for a normal person to think at that time.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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If you're first instinct at 430PM after someone knocks on your door is to get a gun, then i feel sorry for the life you live in where you deem that is necessary.
Well I guess you don’t have to feel sorry for him anymore, so there’s that.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:57 am to TeddyPadillac
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but let's use the excuse some murderer was out to get him and disguising himself as the police at 430PM, b/c that's a normal thing for a normal person to think at that time.
I guess my thing is just, why do you need to come up with an excuse for why the murdered guy got murdered??
A government agent, from the same department as the acorn fiasco executed a guy in his own house who wasn’t breaking any laws. Stupid or not, stupid is not grounds for being killed.
If this guy had got shot by an FBI, DEA, or ATF agent we’d all be incensed at the government attacking our rights. But local cops get a pass for some reason.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:18 am to TeddyPadillac
I don't get your point in this thread. You don't think I should be able to answer my own door with a firearm without being worried about being killed? If you can be killed for exercising your rights, you don't have rights.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If you're first instinct at 430PM after someone knocks on your door is to get a gun, then i feel sorry for the life you live in where you deem that is necessary.
This statement is indicative of your lack of complex thinking. You are looking at the situation through YOUR lens and assuming we are too.
My situation is significantly different. I live in a gated neighborhood with 24 gate guards and 24 hour roving security. I have cameras that make it impossible for sneaky cop (or your stealthy FedEx guy) to hide from me. I also have obscured glass windows and sidelights in my door which would leave someone backlit in the daytime. Bottom line I could see him and he couldn't see me. My situational information is significantly higher in my home than he was in the apartment limited to nothing but a peephole.
That banging knock with a lack of announcement is clearly done by someone with serious intentions. That isn't a UPS knock or his buddy from round the way. When someone knocks like that and hides from view (which is 99.9% of the time intentional) if you have a gun, are proficient with it and don't retrieve it then why the hell do you even own a gun. Even at 4:30 in the afternoon. While criminals may prefer the night sometimes they need a fix at 4:30 and just can't wait until dark.
I get that the actions of the airman may not have been ideal when you have full awareness of what was going on outside the door but the calculus is different when this is your view of the situation:
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