re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?

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God determines morality

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Pretty tough for an entity that doesn’t exist in reality.

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only thing objectively moral to anyone

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There is no objective morality - in reality. You guys constantly want to exist in a fantasy land. Embrace reality.

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You have no agreement on possibly the single most important term in the discussion.

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You are confusing a definition with attributes. By your logic, if you or Prodigal Son or Revelator disagree about an attribute of “God”, then you aren’t talking about the same “God”. That’s just idiotic.

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If God doesn't exist, then people decided to kill innocent babies on their own. You can't blame a God who doesn't exist.

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Another straw man fallacy. Y’all are really great at ginning those up, I’ll be honest. I already assert there is no God and are no gods as described in the Bible so your point is moot.

Let’s try to delve into reality for a minute. In reality, those Israelites never killed Canaanite babies en masse because the conquer of Canaan is just a fantasy. All the archaeological and historical evidence demonstrates there was no mass exodus of Israelites from Egypt and there was no conquer of Canaan. The Israelites were simply a sect of Canaanites that already existed in the land.

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If no ultimate moral authority exists, who are you to tell those people they were being immoral when they decided to kill innocent babies?

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Great question. I am me. If enough like-minded people employing the same moral relativism exist, then my morality on the subject of baby killing would be equal to the consensus, and therefore I’d have authority and a leg on which to stand to say “No! Baby killing is wrong!”

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So really, no matter which way you look at it, your efforts to appeal to ridicule to try to show that someone was being immoral fall flat.

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I’ll continue to ridicule when it is deserved.

Ask yourself this… how could anyone have known right and wrong before the Christian god existed, if the Christian god is where morality comes from? Why did the ancient Mesopotamians and Egyptians have laws against thievery, false witness, and murder? Why did the scribes who wrote exodus around 400BC have to copy the code of Hammurabi?

Objective morality doesn’t exist. Morality does exist though. Morality is determined by cultural and social norms and is based on the “golden rule”. An action is moral if it promotes a net positive, happiness, and well-being and/or decreases unnecessary suffering. Ok but can we agree on what is happiness and well-being? There is a field of study for that which is called “Ethics”. Look it up.