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"Conservatism" has to be more than just a defensive posture
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:30 am
There are alot of reasons we lose. But one of our main issues is self imposed rule setting the right and conservatives have created for themselves, that we insist on following, while the left completely could care less about these boundaries. We are always going to be at an unfair advantage because of this.
Now, I am not advocating for the right to engage in immoral practices to achieve their ends, but we should work within the reality of the political system that is in place, and not the fantasy system that boomer, Reagan era Republicans dream up, that does not really exist and quite frankly, never has.
For example. In regards to the student loan situation. I would propose the Republicans actually use this as an opportunity to put forth their own agenda on this issue. We should propose to seize funds from the university endowments and use that to pay back the loans. We should use it as an opportunity to shut down all meaningless university degrees, and force these institutions to act more financially responsible and throwing money into lazy rivers and ridiculously fancy student housing.
With the abortion issue. We need to have a unified message going forward. I'm a staunch pro-lifer, but I recognize the political reality. Our message should be solely focused on providing personhood legislation. Until unborn children are classified as people, then we can never get off the ground on this issue. We should have Ammendment at every state level banning late term abortion, and requiring abortionists to provide informed consent on what is happening to the child inside the mother.
On the gun issue. Every red state should issue free AR-15s to any qualified citizen who receives a free gun safety program, that also goes into the 2nd Ammendment and the history behind it and why it is important. This should be marketed in blue areas, as a means to sell left leaning Dems on the imprtance of the 2nd Ammendment. Similar education should be happening in any tax funded school.
Similarly, why is the school system in red states so liberal? This should be low hanging fruit. Any State controlled institution in a red state should be right leaning to conservative at minimum.
These are all.easy and obvious steps, but dumbass Reps and boomer-cons are too twisted up with their mental gymnastics and muh "conservative principles" that do nothing but hamstring them. What good are these principles if they never achieve tangible results? The whole point of engaging in politics is to produce good outcomes. Not too sit around and find ways why nothing can be done.
Now, I am not advocating for the right to engage in immoral practices to achieve their ends, but we should work within the reality of the political system that is in place, and not the fantasy system that boomer, Reagan era Republicans dream up, that does not really exist and quite frankly, never has.
For example. In regards to the student loan situation. I would propose the Republicans actually use this as an opportunity to put forth their own agenda on this issue. We should propose to seize funds from the university endowments and use that to pay back the loans. We should use it as an opportunity to shut down all meaningless university degrees, and force these institutions to act more financially responsible and throwing money into lazy rivers and ridiculously fancy student housing.
With the abortion issue. We need to have a unified message going forward. I'm a staunch pro-lifer, but I recognize the political reality. Our message should be solely focused on providing personhood legislation. Until unborn children are classified as people, then we can never get off the ground on this issue. We should have Ammendment at every state level banning late term abortion, and requiring abortionists to provide informed consent on what is happening to the child inside the mother.
On the gun issue. Every red state should issue free AR-15s to any qualified citizen who receives a free gun safety program, that also goes into the 2nd Ammendment and the history behind it and why it is important. This should be marketed in blue areas, as a means to sell left leaning Dems on the imprtance of the 2nd Ammendment. Similar education should be happening in any tax funded school.
Similarly, why is the school system in red states so liberal? This should be low hanging fruit. Any State controlled institution in a red state should be right leaning to conservative at minimum.
These are all.easy and obvious steps, but dumbass Reps and boomer-cons are too twisted up with their mental gymnastics and muh "conservative principles" that do nothing but hamstring them. What good are these principles if they never achieve tangible results? The whole point of engaging in politics is to produce good outcomes. Not too sit around and find ways why nothing can be done.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:31 am to burger bearcat
Free Markets
Individual liberty over the collective
Fiscal responsibility.
If you want activist govt, you'll become a progressive. We dont need new laws, we need fewer laws.
Because progressives volunteer for libraries, schools and elections far more than Conservatives.
Individual liberty over the collective
Fiscal responsibility.
If you want activist govt, you'll become a progressive. We dont need new laws, we need fewer laws.
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Similarly, why is the school system in red states so liberal?
Because progressives volunteer for libraries, schools and elections far more than Conservatives.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Free Markets
Individual liberty over the collective
Fiscal responsibility.
If you want activist govt, you'll become a progressive. We dont need new laws, we need fewer laws.
Who are your champions, Roger?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:34 am to burger bearcat
quote:
Conservatism" has to be more than just a defensive posture
By it's nature it's defensive, responding to changes in society.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:34 am to Paddyshack
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Who are your champions, Roger?
Freidman, Ron Paul, Massey, etc.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Free Markets
Individual liberty over the collective
Fiscal responsibility
Lol. The cats already out of the bag. I am fine getting back to a system like that one day. But it is not anywhere close in our current political culture. You would have to go back to the Coolridge era to even come close to anything you are espousing. And with the makeup of the electorate, the majority of it is not interested in and never will be in what you are wanting. So what are our options?
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Freidman, Ron Paul, Massey, etc.
I love those guys and their ideas. And I live in KY in Massie's district.
But truth is, what have they ever accomplished? They have great one liners and quotes, but what else?
We get steamrolled, because we do not offer an alternative.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Freidman,
I think most people like Milton Friedman but he isnt a politician, and unfortunately no longer alive.
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Ron Paul, Massey,
They are great but that's not enough to effectuate significant change. And being in Alaska, you haven't voted for either of them.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:40 am to Paddyshack
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but he isnt a politician,
Hes much more intelligent and capable.
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They are great but that's not enough to effectuate significant change
What change do you want? All I want is fewer laws, smaller govt and more freedom.
Theres no one running for POTUS close to that. Its a wasted election.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:41 am to burger bearcat
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We get steamrolled, because we do not offer an alternative.
Because we are a democracy and the people don't want those policies, including many (most?) "conservatives".
Talk about scaling back Social Security and see how much "conservatives" lash back emotionally. If that necessary step isn't on the table with conservatives, imagine how hard it will be to sell similar concepts to non-conservatives.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:42 am to Paddyshack
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And being in Alaska, you haven't voted for either of them.
He voted for Murkawski mutiple times. What a conservative
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:43 am to Paddyshack
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They are great but that's not enough to effectuate significant change. And being in Alaska, you haven't voted for either of them.
When the left gets power, their primary goal after that is to accumulate more power. The right does not think this way at all. What is the conservatives plan to deal with the 10 million illegals that came here under Biden's watch? Secretly feed them Prager U and Ben Shapiro videos in Spanish and turn them all into free market loving, flag waving patriots walking around with their pocketbook Constitutions? It's absurd!
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Talk about scaling back Social Security and see how much "conservatives" lash back emotionally. If that necessary step isn't on the table with conservatives, imagine how hard it will be to sell similar concepts to non-conservatives.
Meh,
Talk about converting your Ponzi scheme to a savings plan and "conservatives" would be all over it.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:47 am to Turbeauxdog
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Talk about converting your Ponzi scheme to a savings plan and "conservatives" would be all over it.
That's not going to help with the deficit and will likely only keep increasing it. Social security has to be a Target of decreased spending for deficit purposes. However they won't even talk about a decrease just to keep the program solvent let alone have an overall decrease and spending to make it net positive for our budget and deficit
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:First of all, this is false. It's just the characterization that liberals like to use(congrats on exposing yourself again). They use it to basically say conservatives are merely people with their finger in the dike.
By it's nature it's defensive, responding to changes in society.
Reality is, actual conservatism in the United States at any point in the near future would be MASSIVE change on a scale not seen since FDR. By definition, today, conservatives are the ones who want substantial change. Liberals just want MORE AND MORE of what they've already gotten away with thus far.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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smaller govt
I think this term is a psy-op created by the CIA, for Hannity to feed to his boomercon audience.
It's meant to be a cop-out for why Republicans are not allowed to wield legal power.
The goal should be to produce better conservative political outcomes. Even if we have to achieve these outcomes from more uncomfortable means.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:49 am to Wishing Well
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Reality is, actual conservatism in the United States at any point in the near future would be MASSIVE change on a scale not seen since FDR. By definition, today, conservatives are the ones who want substantial change.
If that change results in anything less than smaller govt, requiring less taxpayer dollars, its not conservative.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Hes much more intelligent and capable.
And that's exactly why he wasnt a politician
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What change do you want? All I want is fewer laws, smaller govt and more freedom.
Theres no one running for POTUS close to that. Its a wasted election
I want conservatives who will fight on the same playing field as the democrats. Conservatives who have the nuts to do what it takes.
In fact, we do have one candidate who has proven he can take blows and dish them out as well. I know you don't appreciate that. Keep searching for your perfect candidate, I'm sure he's out there somewhere. And tell Alaska to figure it the hell out with their ranked choice voting bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 9:50 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:50 am to burger bearcat
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I think this term is a psy-op created by the CIA,
Aboslutely not.
The Federal govt has grown beyond the scope anyone would have imagined.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Oh. I agree.
If that change results in anything less than smaller govt, requiring less taxpayer dollars, its not conservative.
I'm merely pointing out that the idea that real conservatism today is "anti" change is absurd. Any move towards political conservatism now would be huge change.
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