You assume too much. Education is critical to the country. Given the directive, we must find the means. Intergenerational poverty in the most upwardly mobile country on the planet is ridiculous. Cause is attributable to Classroom failure, Cultural failure, and perhaps heritable Capability. Of those variables, we can control one and significantly influence another.

The first step IMO is enacting school choice including magnets and trade schools. There are several ways to approach the discipline equation. The first is to convince hopeless kids that there is hope, that they can do better, that the American dream is as much theirs as anyone's. As with many things, the most important element is buy-in.

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Posted by AUauditor

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Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:17 pm to NC_Tigah

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The first step IMO is enacting school choice including magnets and trade schools.

While I like the idea of school choice, that only puts kids who want to learn in one set of schools and leaves those without parental support in another set of schools. These schools then go from 30% problem kids to 80%, killing any chance for those with desire to learn.

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There are several ways to approach the discipline equation. The first is to convince hopeless kids that there is hope, that they can do better, that the American dream is as much theirs as anyone's. As with many things, the most important element is buy-in.

For those with any desire, my daughter does an excellent job of motivating them. Sometimes it is as simple as being a teacher who shows up (with her parents) at sporting events, plays, etc. She encourages them and does not give the easy grade. For those that put forth effort, extra opportunities are given. For those that refuse, then, not so much.

However, which classes should you give up to do the parenting that these kids are not receiving - math, science, English?

There is a reason that Proverbs 13:24 says "He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly."

Children have and will always need disciple. Children have not changed over the past centries - parents have. The Socialists destroying of the family unit has done more to damage to children and this country than anything else. No institution, whether governmental or religious, can replace the role of the parent, but that is what many expect. They expect to procreate without responsibility as we promise them "free" breakfast, "free" lunch, "free" child care, etc.

This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 7:40 am

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Posted by VADawg

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Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:03 pm to NC_Tigah

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Cause is attributable to Classroom failure, Cultural failure, and perhaps heritable Capability. Of those variables, we can control one and significantly influence another.

It's almost entirely cultural. Black culture largely eschews academics and black kids who try hard and do well in school are relentlessly ridiculed for being too white. There is not a goddamn thing any white person can do to change this. This has to change from within, but there has been no indication that this will happen.

As long as black people care more about PPG than GPA, nothing will change.

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Posted by RebelExpress38

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Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:00 am to NC_Tigah

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with many things, the most important element is buy-in.

The most important element is the parents. If the parents don’t care about education, you can throw money and programs at the kids all day but school for them will never be more than a day care.

Any population with very low parent engagement will also have terrible results in the classroom.

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