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re: Minimum wage battle is going to destroy small businesses!

Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:51 pm to
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What do you suggest as the alternative that will provide a livable wage for folks while also not folding small businesses?


Why do all wages have to be livable? Most of us have had plenty of jobs for extra money at various points in our lifetimes. Under no circumstances did they constitute livable wages. What changed?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:53 pm to
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Why do all wages have to be livable? Most of us have had plenty of jobs for extra money at various points in our lifetimes. Under no circumstances did they constitute livable wages. What changed?


A few things.

We started requiring college degrees for jobs that simply don’t need them.

Older folks have stayed in positions that workers would move into through promotion because of the increase of cost of living and retirement that has likely been hit by multiple recessions. That’s prevented your usually upward mobility into jobs with livable wages.
Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:55 pm to
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What changed?


The cost of living. I rented a lake house in South Carolina and lived there comfortably in 2006 when I was making 16.50 an hour. Looked it up and now I couldn’t afford that place and I make 33.75 an hour.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:04 pm to
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Why do all wages have to be livable?


They don't.

But if you are running a business and you need someone to work 8+ hours a day, but don't have enough room to pay them to live on that job alone, then maybe you don't have the budget to hire someone and you should do it yourself.
Posted by JSO24
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:10 pm to
They shouldn’t be.
Minimum wage was never intended to be a liveable wage.
It’s a wage for a person who has minimal skill.

Want more pay? Develop a skill, or something that adds your value to an employer.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:37 pm to
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Why do all wages have to be livable? Most of us have had plenty of jobs for extra money at various points in our lifetimes. Under no circumstances did they constitute livable wages. What changed


The cost of living. The goal should be to lower that first, but burying our heads in the sand and seeing how the disparity between income and costs over the last 40 years is leaving a large portion of this conversation off the table.
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