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re: Active Marines - Have Women in the Infantry Had a Negative Impact on the USMC?
Posted on 3/28/24 at 2:29 pm to RFK
Posted on 3/28/24 at 2:29 pm to RFK
Obviously, it has nothing to do with the individual's character, motivation, patriotism, etc., but certainly not every man (hell, in 2024, a helluva lot of men would fall into this category as well) is suited for front line infantry service. (Virtually) No woman is.
Let's take that 1% of 1% elite woman athlete: I won't question her motivations to go into the service as opposed to using her gifts to make major bank. Certainly there are high-performing females who are exceptional physical specimens. Even this rarefied company will experience greater breakdowns over time - stress fractures, UTIs, hell, women have higher rates of mental illness and service will only exacerbate those symptoms.
Why? Primarily biology. Regardless of the "modern" sensibilities about this being some sort of social construct, on the contrary, it is biological reality. Men (even at the same scale weight and relative rates of fitness) have heavier/denser bones and heavier/denser muscles. Men have greater aerobic capacity.
Women's capabilities are impressive because 25% of their metabolism is devoted to reproduction, while in men it is less than 3%. But, what that means is that women sacrifice the ability to sustain heavy work effort over time without suffering those breakdowns (and, obviously, unique aspects of the anatomy of women.)
Plus a man cannot get pregnant while preparing for a deployment or in a combat zone.
A combat unit gains NOTHING by admitting women, but risks all the things outlined above. In certain very narrow survival situations (i.e. Soviet Union 1941), I can see that having women serve in combat can be an resource, but one of last resort, IMHO.
Let's take that 1% of 1% elite woman athlete: I won't question her motivations to go into the service as opposed to using her gifts to make major bank. Certainly there are high-performing females who are exceptional physical specimens. Even this rarefied company will experience greater breakdowns over time - stress fractures, UTIs, hell, women have higher rates of mental illness and service will only exacerbate those symptoms.
Why? Primarily biology. Regardless of the "modern" sensibilities about this being some sort of social construct, on the contrary, it is biological reality. Men (even at the same scale weight and relative rates of fitness) have heavier/denser bones and heavier/denser muscles. Men have greater aerobic capacity.
Women's capabilities are impressive because 25% of their metabolism is devoted to reproduction, while in men it is less than 3%. But, what that means is that women sacrifice the ability to sustain heavy work effort over time without suffering those breakdowns (and, obviously, unique aspects of the anatomy of women.)
Plus a man cannot get pregnant while preparing for a deployment or in a combat zone.
A combat unit gains NOTHING by admitting women, but risks all the things outlined above. In certain very narrow survival situations (i.e. Soviet Union 1941), I can see that having women serve in combat can be an resource, but one of last resort, IMHO.
This post was edited on 3/28/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/28/24 at 2:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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Obviously, it has nothing to do with the individual's character, motivation, patriotism, etc., but certainly not every man (hell, in 2024, a helluva lot of men would fall into this category as well) is suited for front line infantry service. (Virtually) No woman is.
Let's take that 1% of 1% elite woman athlete: I won't question her motivations to go into the service as opposed to using her gifts to make major bank. Certainly there are high-performing females who are exceptional physical specimens. Even this rarefied company will experience greater breakdowns over time - stress fractures, UTIs, hell, women have higher rates of mental illness and service will only exacerbate those symptoms.
Why? Primarily biology. Regardless of the "modern" sensibilities about this being some sort of social construct, on the contrary, it is biological reality. Men (even at the same scale weight and relative rates of fitness) have heavier/denser bones and heavier/denser muscles. Men have greater aerobic capacity.
Women's capabilities are impressive because 25% of their metabolism is devoted to reproduction, while in men it is less than 3%. But, what that means is that women sacrifice the ability to sustain heavy work effort over time without suffering those breakdowns (and, obviously, unique aspects of the anatomy of women.)
Plus a man cannot get pregnant while preparing for a deployment or in a combat zone.
A combat unit gains NOTHING by admitting women, but risks all the things outlined above. In certain very narrow survival situations (i.e. Soviet Union 1941), I can see that having women serve in combat can be an resource, but one of last resort, IMHO.
facts, every word. now i'll hand you off to argue with Displaced bc i have to go to a meeting.
Posted on 3/28/24 at 11:44 pm to Ace Midnight
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A combat unit gains NOTHING by admitting women, but risks all the things outlined above.
This. I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps infantry (1/8, 1/2, and 2/6), and I agree that allowing women into combat arms sacrifices readiness for political correctness. MCRD and SOI on the west coast. It would be impossible for a female to keep up carrying the same combat loads their male counterparts are carrying. Simply put, any WM in a combat unit would be a liability, not an asset.
On a side note, I was on the first LHA that allowed women naval enlisted to deploy with us. It was a freaking goat rope, as expected. Two out of the four were sent home, pregnant. One of the others was injured somehow. Completely useless. I’d hate to see how bad it’s gotten today.
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