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Nope.

YOU made the claim that teachers were the only government workers who made $50K regardless of how well they did their job.

Did you not?

is that not how this conversation started?

I didn't, but anyways....

Look, I guess Internet arguments are new for you. It's okay. I'm here to teach you a few things.

I claimed that teachers are the only white collar profession that can make $50k/year (a metonym for the broader concept of modest compensation among teachers) without the opportunity to be promoted to a higher salary or higher salaried position based on the quality of their work. Through that claim, I implied that there is no evidence for other white collar professions who have the same restrictions on upward mobility.

You're asking me to provide evidence for something that does not exist.

When you provided your rebuttal, you claimed that there is evidence, meaning that the evidence does exist. Therefore, you should provide the evidence in order for your claim to have merit.

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Posted by Bigdawgb

Member since Oct 2023

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Posted on 3/11/24 at 2:55 pm to StringedInstruments

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I claimed that teachers are the only white collar profession that can make $50k/year (a metonym for the broader concept of modest compensation among teachers) without the opportunity to be promoted to a higher salary or higher salaried position based on the quality of their work.

Would you not consider things such as promotion to lead teacher, principal, admin etc. a promotion??

I mean a position like AP clerk or Customer service rep, they're never making $50k. They have to get promoted to supervisor or departmental manager.

If you look at the GS pay table, GS-6 and below max out at <$50k per year. That's a MAXXED out step 10 employee. And I really doubt they get the teacher's discount at the local cafe.

There are both loads of government employees making < $50k and loads of teachers with the opportunity to make or already making $50k+ per year

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Posted by wackatimesthree

Member since Oct 2019

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Posted on 3/11/24 at 6:06 pm to StringedInstruments

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I didn't,

Then you (admit)...

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I claimed that teachers are the only white collar profession that can make $50k/year (a metonym for the broader concept of modest compensation among teachers) without the opportunity to be promoted to a higher salary or higher salaried position based on the quality of their work.

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Through that claim, I implied that there is no evidence for other white collar professions who have the same restrictions on upward mobility.

No, you didn't imply, you stated.

And that doesn't remotely qualify as a claim that can't be supported by evidence a 'la proving a negative.

But let's pretend it does.

The very reason I turned it back around on you is because it's such an absurd claim. Almost no government worker gets a salary raise based on performance.

Passing tests, yes.

And so do teachers...you get salary raises for completing coursework to earn a master's degree or doctorate.

And when other government workers get promotions, they get promoted to higher positions, usually some kind of overseer or management position. They don't stay in the same position , they apply for and are hired to do another job that pays more. So do teachers.

Where do principals and other administrators come from if not teachers who were promoted?

The "evidence" is self-evident. Everyone knows what I just typed above. What exactly would you like for me to provide?

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