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re: Why are so many ppl still hung up on the “non-physicality” or “non-productivity” of BTC?

Posted on 3/5/24 at 8:04 pm to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27242 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 8:04 pm to
You are correct that it currently takes massive amounts of energy to mine (not much to validate/transact, however). The data doesn't lie. Bitcoin mining accounts for 110 terawatt hours of energy usage per year, or 0.55% of global energy consumption. I understand and recognize the energy usage argument against bitcoin.

There are a couple ways we could debate this. What is your concern with the energy usage?

Is it emissions? That's valid. Estimates are that bitcoin uses anywhere from ~40% to 80~ renewable energy. That number varies based on sources and seasons. That still leaves 20-60% of the energy used for bitcoin to come from non-renewables. That's not great.

Is your concern it drains energy from other uses? That's not economically advantageous for miners. They'd much rather use cheap, excess energy in the system, such as excess hydro in rainy seasons that goes to waste or flared natural gas.

If we want to go really deep, how much energy does it take to create and support any usable currency? If we look at the dollar, it's actually inverse from bitcoin. It takes very little energy to create, but it takes massive amounts of energy to support the military and it takes massive amounts of energy in the banking sector to transact and verify.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80849 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 8:55 pm to
quote:

You are correct that it currently takes massive amounts of energy to mine (not much to validate/transact, however). The data doesn't lie. Bitcoin mining accounts for 110 terawatt hours of energy usage per year, or 0.55% of global energy consumption. I understand and recognize the energy usage argument against bitcoin.

There are a couple ways we could debate this. What is your concern with the energy usage?

Is it emissions? That's valid. Estimates are that bitcoin uses anywhere from ~40% to 80~ renewable energy. That number varies based on sources and seasons. That still leaves 20-60% of the energy used for bitcoin to come from non-renewables. That's not great.

Is your concern it drains energy from other uses? That's not economically advantageous for miners. They'd much rather use cheap, excess energy in the system, such as excess hydro in rainy seasons that goes to waste or flared natural gas.

If we want to go really deep, how much energy does it take to create and support any usable currency? If we look at the dollar, it's actually inverse from bitcoin. It takes very little energy to create, but it takes massive amounts of energy to support the military and it takes massive amounts of energy in the banking sector to transact and verify.
This is an excellent overview.

In the end it comes down to why you think the energy use is bad. Then the big unknown is comparing it against the alternative which is a massive black hole of what type of energy is needed for traditional currencies. You can really get down a deep hole factoring in everything needed to keep the USD as the world reserve.
Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7189 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:13 am to
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but it takes massive amounts of energy to support the military


are you saying that bitcoin adoption would lead to us getting rid of militaries and World peace?
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